Husker6.5
135' diagonal 16:9HD, 25KW sound!
Man, there's gotta be a country song out of this saga somewhere! Or, how about the ultimate in high speed low friction horsepower and fuel economy - a piston-less diesel
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Fun with Ted, Todd, Bill and Paul…Resurrecting an Ultimate Rebuild.
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sshewins
Jesus Freak
I'm thinkin Ted Jr. Are you up to changing your last name to Nuggent?
Sorry to hear about your misery and misfortune.
Sorry to hear about your misery and misfortune.
Husker6.5
135' diagonal 16:9HD, 25KW sound!
I'd like you to meet my brother Ted and my other brother Ted. A Bob Newhart moment.
Paveltolz
Доверяй, но проверяй
I hope there's no Country Western Song in the making, it's depressing enough as it is. Maybe I'll ask Toby Keith when he comes through town next month. Perhaps he can do one of his 'songs from the back of the bus' renditions. Probably replete with not so subtle references to razor blades and wrists...and not wrist pins. At least he'll make it fun.
Still can't get over how the wristpins rattled in the pistons. I know they should be able to move around a little but wow.
As for engine building, I guess Ted is helping Bill out with his red daily driver which is finally getting a Cam job of its own. So, that will make Two Cam equipped trucks in the Heath parking lot. Ted-1's two motors will make Four and, eventually, mine will make Five and technically Six as I'll keep my original motor and install an HP3 when I get around to rebuilding the old 141 block. Which, given the luck to date, it will make good sense to have an engine in reserve. Now that I think about it, Ted has a spare motor now so maybe Seven? One can't have enough motors laying around now can one?
Still can't get over how the wristpins rattled in the pistons. I know they should be able to move around a little but wow.
As for engine building, I guess Ted is helping Bill out with his red daily driver which is finally getting a Cam job of its own. So, that will make Two Cam equipped trucks in the Heath parking lot. Ted-1's two motors will make Four and, eventually, mine will make Five and technically Six as I'll keep my original motor and install an HP3 when I get around to rebuilding the old 141 block. Which, given the luck to date, it will make good sense to have an engine in reserve. Now that I think about it, Ted has a spare motor now so maybe Seven? One can't have enough motors laying around now can one?
- Staff
- #105
If it IS a country song, fire up the turntable and play it backward...
... you'll get your girl back, you'll get your job back, you'll get your dog back, Ted might get his engine back...
... you'll get your girl back, you'll get your job back, you'll get your dog back, Ted might get his engine back...
Husker6.5
135' diagonal 16:9HD, 25KW sound!
If it IS a country song, fire up the turntable and play it backward...
... you'll get your girl back, you'll get your job back, you'll get your dog back, Ted might get his engine back...
I was going to go there last night, but it was getting too late. Besides, some people might not want their old lady back anyway. Now the dog, that's a whole other story!:thumbsup:
Paveltolz
Доверяй, но проверяй
Good news from 635 today. The Mahl Pistons arrived at the machinist's place so Ted will take the rods and crank over and will actually lend a hand as the guy's back is really giving him troubles. So, the work gets some supervision, Ted trades some lifting and time in the machinists getting exposed to a few more tricks of the trade from the doing side of things and by the end of next week my rotating assembly should be ready and the motor's build can begin. Lots of exiting things going on, finally.
I still have a part on back order. With the back order of Fluid Dampener HB's, I told Bill to sell mine (waiting on the shelf) to a customer in dire need. Hey, I did it in the belief it would be a while before I needed it so the replacement would be in before that time came...it isn't....yet. Oh well, I thought it would be a lot longer before Mahle came through so who knows. I do know it was ordered and is on FD's back order list and that Bill is a big mover of them so it should work out. Meh, just one more thing and it will all work out...it always does. So, one of you out there, member or guest, has what was my FD on their truck, good for you and I'm happy to be of help.
I still have a part on back order. With the back order of Fluid Dampener HB's, I told Bill to sell mine (waiting on the shelf) to a customer in dire need. Hey, I did it in the belief it would be a while before I needed it so the replacement would be in before that time came...it isn't....yet. Oh well, I thought it would be a lot longer before Mahle came through so who knows. I do know it was ordered and is on FD's back order list and that Bill is a big mover of them so it should work out. Meh, just one more thing and it will all work out...it always does. So, one of you out there, member or guest, has what was my FD on their truck, good for you and I'm happy to be of help.
btfarm
America First!
Never hurts to pay it forward Paul!:thumbsup:
orrum
New Member
U just dont know how true that statement is Mike. Paul maybe u have ur truck back when I get there. If not I sure would like to visit the shop n see a first rate rebuild in progress!
Paveltolz
Доверяй, но проверяй
Thanks Mike. I'm happier helping others. Love to go out in snow storms and see who I can help pull out of a ditch.
Orrum, I'd like to see the build in progress too but it's happening in WA.... When you get up there, maybe you'll be in time to see one of 635's. He's got a couple being done by the same builder. He just picked up another 6.2 as a spare to the spare so both trucks are now backed up.
Orrum, I'd like to see the build in progress too but it's happening in WA.... When you get up there, maybe you'll be in time to see one of 635's. He's got a couple being done by the same builder. He just picked up another 6.2 as a spare to the spare so both trucks are now backed up.
sshewins
Jesus Freak
A spare to the spare does not inspire confidence...LOL
Paveltolz
Доверяй, но проверяй
Got ya but then there's the Boy Scout motto, "Be Prepared." I have the Heath PMD kit but carry a spare D-Tech standard issue PMD with me on a heat sink anyway.... I was telling him that most folks collect china figurines or model cars, not full sized motors but then there's a few of you guys out there...I mean, how many can you drive at one time when all of them can drive you crazy at once? Is this really healthy...necessary?
Then again, I guess one of you's guys out there can buy one off him eventually.
Then again, I guess one of you's guys out there can buy one off him eventually.
Paveltolz
Доверяй, но проверяй
Ted emailed to inform: “Early Friday morning because Friday afternoon I go to the machinist’s and pickup up the '6.35R' block, and fully balance rotating assembly consisting of a Scat crank, flywheel, 30 over Mahle pistons, and rods and take them back to Heath Diesel!! Paul, you will have to get with him to get copies of all the paper work he has on this engine. The “NASCAR rod bushing” were installed and he is very pleased with them! I am so impressed with what he has done, it gives me goose bumps!
“The Machinist talked about the reciprocating (up and down) parts, piston connecting rod end, and then the rotating (round and round) parts, crankshaft rod end. How he balanced the pistons and rods to the reciprocating end and the crank to the rotating rod end.
“He was not happy with the balanced part of the Scat crank, it was way out. But all the parts are dead on now!”
“Paul, he has written all the details down!”
The deal is that once the engine and it's parts get out of the machinist's with a clean bill of health, then the motor is officially "mine."
In later conversation, Ted said the machinist stated that the crank was so out of balance...it would have destroyed the motor in short order. Diesel Depot had to have the crank turned down to accept a two piece rear main seal and they didn’t bother to check the balance. #$%^&! Am I glad we went the extra mile to get this right. Providing a safe crank shaft to their customers must be a ‘Bridge Too Far’ for Diesel Depot. Not surprising, seeing as how they have managed to screw Ted, and me in the long run, over at every turn.
To fit the 30 over pistons, the cylinders did not need more than a good hone rather than boring so that’s done without having to remove too much material to get things to fit. A reminder, the ones Diesel Depot sent over were too small besides being junk.
One of the other things that needed correcting, which was done with the new wrist pin bushings, is that the rod's oiler holes are now lined up with the holes in the bushings… another bridge too far for the schmucks at Diesel Depot.
Ted has had some issues of late on his scavenger hunts and commuting between Yakima and Ellensburg. I’ll let him explain it as it is more along the ‘off topic’ theme. Suffice it to say, his grey primer 81 Chevy is being profiled by the Polizei in various counties and WA state patrol. Not Ted, just the truck, but then the real fun starts...three times this week...so far.
“The Machinist talked about the reciprocating (up and down) parts, piston connecting rod end, and then the rotating (round and round) parts, crankshaft rod end. How he balanced the pistons and rods to the reciprocating end and the crank to the rotating rod end.
“He was not happy with the balanced part of the Scat crank, it was way out. But all the parts are dead on now!”
“Paul, he has written all the details down!”
The deal is that once the engine and it's parts get out of the machinist's with a clean bill of health, then the motor is officially "mine."
In later conversation, Ted said the machinist stated that the crank was so out of balance...it would have destroyed the motor in short order. Diesel Depot had to have the crank turned down to accept a two piece rear main seal and they didn’t bother to check the balance. #$%^&! Am I glad we went the extra mile to get this right. Providing a safe crank shaft to their customers must be a ‘Bridge Too Far’ for Diesel Depot. Not surprising, seeing as how they have managed to screw Ted, and me in the long run, over at every turn.
To fit the 30 over pistons, the cylinders did not need more than a good hone rather than boring so that’s done without having to remove too much material to get things to fit. A reminder, the ones Diesel Depot sent over were too small besides being junk.
One of the other things that needed correcting, which was done with the new wrist pin bushings, is that the rod's oiler holes are now lined up with the holes in the bushings… another bridge too far for the schmucks at Diesel Depot.
Ted has had some issues of late on his scavenger hunts and commuting between Yakima and Ellensburg. I’ll let him explain it as it is more along the ‘off topic’ theme. Suffice it to say, his grey primer 81 Chevy is being profiled by the Polizei in various counties and WA state patrol. Not Ted, just the truck, but then the real fun starts...three times this week...so far.
orrum
New Member
I am confused I thought u could not rebuild our engines because the block would have cracks in it so u have to get a new engine?
NVW
Well-Known Member
They can be rebuilt and rebored if there are no cracks in the block. Usually a high mile block with no cracks is a good candidate for a rebuild.
Paveltolz
Доверяй, но проверяй
The block was hot tanked, magnifluxed, center bore checked and received a very minor decking. It is a good block.:thumbsup:
Ted picked up all the parts: Block, Crank, Pistons, Rods etc and delivered them to Bill's this afternoon. He didn't even get pulled over...:rof:
So, quoting from the animated flick "Bolt"..."Let it begin...LET IT BEGIN!":hihi:
However, with the demand for cams and Fluid Dampeners and all the delays, I told Bill to go ahead and sell 'mine' and I'd wait for the next shipment. I'm my own worst enemy sometimes. The cam demands are so high, Bill will probably stop his swap in mid stream and sell "his."
By the way, and this goes out to all the guests visiting too, if you've purchased a cam from Bill and haven't sent your core back...get with it please and post up your observations in the cam threads. Curious people here are wanting to hear of actual user results.:skep:
Ted picked up all the parts: Block, Crank, Pistons, Rods etc and delivered them to Bill's this afternoon. He didn't even get pulled over...:rof:
So, quoting from the animated flick "Bolt"..."Let it begin...LET IT BEGIN!":hihi:
However, with the demand for cams and Fluid Dampeners and all the delays, I told Bill to go ahead and sell 'mine' and I'd wait for the next shipment. I'm my own worst enemy sometimes. The cam demands are so high, Bill will probably stop his swap in mid stream and sell "his."
By the way, and this goes out to all the guests visiting too, if you've purchased a cam from Bill and haven't sent your core back...get with it please and post up your observations in the cam threads. Curious people here are wanting to hear of actual user results.:skep:
Paveltolz
Доверяй, но проверяй
Ted updated me on a few things today.
1. The price of the machinists work included all the stuff from before and after we found out the pistons were crap necessitating the new Mahle ones and the rebalancing of the rotating assembly. That was a break and worth waiting for...well, kinda worth waiting for.
2. Bill's Red truck has the performance cam installed so once it is buttoned up, Bill will be able to keep up with Joe's green truck without Joe having to either drive in reverse or push it.
3. That means my truck is next in line with the engine assembly starting rather soon. Once it is at the point that the parts off my motor are needed to finish the build, then, of course, mine gets torn down. Injectors, Glow Plugs, IP and Lines, Water Pump, Starter, etc. May go with HO injectors. I have a set of core's here with crap nozzles I could get rebuilt at the local shop Orionthade and I share. Good people.
4. Not certain but I think I'm still waiting for a cam to come in from the grinder and delivery of my Fluid Dampener HB.
For the curious, here's the punch list and specifications for the block and rotating assembly performed by the Machinist. I hate to admit, a lot of it is simply 'dolphin-speak' to me.
Punch List
Chemical Clean Block
Bore Cyl Block .010 .0027 Clearance With Torque
Install Main Studs, True Linebore
Surface Block .010
Install Pin Bushings, Fit Pins, .0004 Clear, Check Alignment
Assemble Pistons On Rods
Hone Block
True Big End Of Rods
Balance Crank Assembly, Stock Balancer
Install Cam Bearing, Fit Cam
SH1366S Cam Bearings
Specifications:
Rod Rotating-714gr
Rod Reciprocating-332
Rod Bearings-57gr
Oil Allowance-6gr
Pistons, Pin, And Rings-1295gr
Locks-4gr
Bobweight Total-3179gr
Piston Assembly And Rod Reciprocating End Balanced Together
I'm just happy it is done and the build will begin soon.
1. The price of the machinists work included all the stuff from before and after we found out the pistons were crap necessitating the new Mahle ones and the rebalancing of the rotating assembly. That was a break and worth waiting for...well, kinda worth waiting for.
2. Bill's Red truck has the performance cam installed so once it is buttoned up, Bill will be able to keep up with Joe's green truck without Joe having to either drive in reverse or push it.
3. That means my truck is next in line with the engine assembly starting rather soon. Once it is at the point that the parts off my motor are needed to finish the build, then, of course, mine gets torn down. Injectors, Glow Plugs, IP and Lines, Water Pump, Starter, etc. May go with HO injectors. I have a set of core's here with crap nozzles I could get rebuilt at the local shop Orionthade and I share. Good people.
4. Not certain but I think I'm still waiting for a cam to come in from the grinder and delivery of my Fluid Dampener HB.
For the curious, here's the punch list and specifications for the block and rotating assembly performed by the Machinist. I hate to admit, a lot of it is simply 'dolphin-speak' to me.
Punch List
Chemical Clean Block
Bore Cyl Block .010 .0027 Clearance With Torque
Install Main Studs, True Linebore
Surface Block .010
Install Pin Bushings, Fit Pins, .0004 Clear, Check Alignment
Assemble Pistons On Rods
Hone Block
True Big End Of Rods
Balance Crank Assembly, Stock Balancer
Install Cam Bearing, Fit Cam
SH1366S Cam Bearings
Specifications:
Rod Rotating-714gr
Rod Reciprocating-332
Rod Bearings-57gr
Oil Allowance-6gr
Pistons, Pin, And Rings-1295gr
Locks-4gr
Bobweight Total-3179gr
Piston Assembly And Rod Reciprocating End Balanced Together
I'm just happy it is done and the build will begin soon.
3500GMC
What T F, over
a little info, hope it helps
Paveltolz
Доверяй, но проверяй
Thank you for the details. I wasn't as off as I had thought, pretty close to most of it but it is good to have it all spelled out. Especially after a good head bump and I can't remember later.
As we used to say at work, N=P or Knowledge equals Power.
ak diesel driver
6.5 driver
also bob weights are used to take the place of the rod and piston assy while it is being spun for balancing
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