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reman IP in Canada

Mudbath

Mudbath

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Where is the best place to buy a quality reman IP here in Canada. I am having problems with TDC Timeset and TDC Learn on my truck and it is looking like the pump is the problem. The TSM is broken and needs to be replaced at a cost of about $160.00 but when I took the TSM off and tried to rotate the shaft that it is controlling I could barely get it to move (a few degrees back and forth, so it isn't seized). I do not know if that is normal without the pump actually turning, nothing to compare it with. If someone has an old pump off of the engine and could check that for me, maybe just the TSM needs to be replaced and not the whole IP. It is a bare to start cold and smoke like a banchee, but is fine once warmed up.

See my other thread for more details

http://www.thetruckstop.us/forum/showthread.php?30673-Timing-issues-Help
 
Hey Mudbath, I don't know too many people in Alberta that I'd trust with a rebuilt DS4... you might try calling Lyndon Wester in Tilley, AB. Check on his prices, but he does good work and I trust him. You might also call Bud Gomer in Great Falls at US dieselparts; Bud is a good guy and will work with you on shipping.

Tell either of themI sent you from TTS and they'll do well by you.

Bill Heath only sells new DS4s - less hassle, he says - and I just don't trust DSG. Pretty much any other US retailer will run you into large money in brokerage fees.

Jim
 
Thanks Jim, I have also been pondering getting a old IP and maybe pulling the TSM off it to use and then at the same time I can check what movement should be in the shaft. This is a great old truck and in fantastic shape, with this small problem. If you know of anyone with an old IP that I could pickup for shipping cost it would get me out of a bind. I just did the water pump and HG with a flush and oil change etc, set me back a $1000 and a lot of time. I need to get this truck back on the road. I really can't afford a new for it at this time, so I would really like to exhaust all other options first. The guy in Tilley, do you have a number or email address for him?
 
mudbath said:
thanks jim, i have also been pondering getting a old ip and maybe pulling the tsm off it to use and then at the same time i can check what movement should be in the shaft. This is a great old truck and in fantastic shape, with this small problem. If you know of anyone with an old ip that i could pickup for shipping cost it would get me out of a bind. I just did the water pump and hg with a flush and oil change etc, set me back a $1000 and a lot of time. I need to get this truck back on the road. I really can't afford a new for it at this time, so i would really like to exhaust all other options first. The guy in tilley, do you have a number or email address for him?
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1-888-wester-1 (937-8371)
 
Well the stepper motor needs to be replaced as it is damaged now. :hihi: What I would like to know is, it is trying to drive a spring wound shaft and the shaft on my pump bare rotates either direction. Is this normal? That looks to be the cold advance and is what TimeSet is trying to retard to base timing. Maybe that is the problem is something in the IP is seizing up because the truck is now been parked a lot. Could someone who has a old pump check to see if the shaft on theirs moves more? Thanks
 
Thanks Leo, you don't have any old pumps around, do you? I get out to Hanna a fair bit for work. I could get to Castor if need be.
 
Mudbath said:
Thanks Leo, you don't have any old pumps around, do you? I get out to Hanna a fair bit for work. I could get to Castor if need be.
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I do have a spare but I don't want to part with it. I would need it tomorrow if I did.;)

Are you looking for just the stepper? I could let that go.
 
I do have a spare but I don't want to part with it. I would need it tomorrow if I did. Funny how that works eh!!!


I do need the stepper motor and the little ball on the spring that it couples with as it vanished while I was trying to get the shaft that the TSM turns, to turn. If you could check that on the pump that would tell me if that shaft should move more than a couple of degrees when the pump is not in operation. I would think that with the 1 inch of up and down travel of the TSM that the shaft should rotate about 20* - 25*. If this shaft should move more, then it is defective and I will probably need a Reman IP. This could be causing my cold start problem and my Time Set problem. Bob
 
I did not try to turn it but I did try pulling the shaft in and out a few times and it felt rough and then jammed up bad. :banghead:
 
Mudbath,read my write up about rebuilding a DS4,it'll tell ye lots. Its floating around somewhere on the site(should've gone in the sticky's IMO)

I can help you with pump parts or a untested but believed to be good IP(dealer take off,bad PMD)
 
WOW great thread Bison. I am thinking that I have an Advance Piston sticking problem. How much should I be able to move the shaft in the attached picture from your thread. From what I can see, there are some springs in there affecting the movement. But that shaft only moves a degree or two (maybe end play before it tries to move piston) and then won't move even with a lot of pressure of me pushing on it. I can't see the TSM having a whole lot of power to move it. What are your thoughts.


piston advance mechanism.jpg

Here is the thread if other want to be enlightened.

http://www.thetruckstop.us/forum/sh...hanical-aspect-only)&highlight=rebuilding+ds4
 
bison said:
Mudbath,read my write up about rebuilding a DS4,it'll tell ye lots. Its floating around somewhere on the site(should've gone in the sticky's IMO)

I can help you with pump parts or a untested but believed to be good IP(dealer take off,bad PMD)
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What are you talking about, Simon? I put that most-excellent thread in the stickies right after you posted it! I miss lots of stuff, but none of yours!
 
Mudbath said:
WOW great thread Bison. I am thinking that I have an Advance Piston sticking problem. How much should I be able to move the shaft in the attached picture from your thread. From what I can see, there are some springs in there affecting the movement. But that shaft only moves a degree or two (maybe end play before it tries to move piston) and then won't move even with a lot of pressure of me pushing on it. I can't see the TSM having a whole lot of power to move it. What are your thoughts.



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Here is the thread if other want to be enlightened.

http://www.thetruckstop.us/forum/sh...hanical-aspect-only)&highlight=rebuilding+ds4
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The pic don't show me much.
Been over a year i had one apart,but the piston should move freely in and out,turning the camring back and forth in the process
take the bottom plug right underneat the advance piston outa the pump and then the ball pin(torx or allen<can't remember)( pin is treaded in the cam ring).Then you can pull the piston right out,try to leave the flange on the piston shaft(stepper side)There is a small steel piston ring there,might be hard to get back in the bore. the small shaft you see is springloaded into the larger piston which is prob bottomed out the other way(remove opposite cap to push it back)
again.
Note which side is facing the cam ring(has a flat on one side...i think)
Don't disturb the reed valve on the back of the piston,its supposed to not close all the way
Maybe the piston is seized(moisture galled) on the steel sleeve in the pump bore or the camring(should move easy as well) is seized in the housing?

Hope this helps
 
I do not have the pump out of the truck, so it is hard to get at anything for the advance piston. But in the picture where the spring is wrapped around the shaft (# 1 in picture) the TSM connects to that shaft through a spring (not directly to the shaft)

When the TSM actuator moves in and out of the TSM bore it rotates the shaft in the picture and that moves the part circled in the picture ( #2) which pushes the piston in against spring pressure (I would guess) and the spring pressure returns it when the stepper motor backs off. My question is with the TSM off the pump should I be able to turn that shaft by hand hard enough to advance the piston fully in it's bore? I cannot turn this shaft to move advance piston in it's bore, so I am thinking it is seised causing my problems.

piston advance mechanism.jpg
 
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