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Best way to mount PMD Cable.com's relocation kit.
- Thread starter GM Guy
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opcorn:
- Staff
- #42
Are you an SSD salesman?
The worst place you can put a FSD/PMD is under the hood. Everything under the hood gets heat soaked and never really cools off until you drive into a lake our turn off the motor overnight. It is even worst when you tow. When you mount the FSD on the intake it too will get heat soaked and never get a chance to cool off. We have had more people come here and complain about their FSD/PMD had failed mounting it on the intake.
If SSD's FSD/PMD mounted on the intake is so great then why does SSD not offer a great warranty with it?
Maybe you need to do some more homework before you come on here as a cheerleader for SSD.
Your right any PMD can fail at anytime, but ts proven that the odds a PMD will last longer if you locate it outside the engine bay. Allways keep a spare.
IMO its temp swings that kill PMDs, so colder climates will see more failures when mounted under hood.
Example: 10 degree day you fire up the truck and get to engine operating temp of close to 195ish. Thats a huge temp swing in such a short time. The soilder joints expand and contract each time. AND! you might repete the process 3-5 times a day.
With the PMD remote mounted outside the engine bay it stays at a constant temp and at most might get warm to the touch.
The idea that putting a PMD ontop of the engine is going to cool the PMD is just ingnorant. Lets say its a hot summer day with 100 degree temps how is it possible for a heat sink to shed heat off the PMD when the heat/air surrounding the PMD is hotter? You are actually introducing heat to the PMD.
As far as running the engine to cool it before shut down really wont work for the PMD (maybe a turbo??). But, when you do shut it off the temps can raise to above whats on your ECT gauge and the PMD (mounted on engine) is just cooking at that point.
Also, think of the wasted fuel (=money) needed to run engine to "cool" the PMD before shut down. I know I don't have the discipline to do it.
Stanadyne did find the coolest spot of a operating temp engine and that was on the IP. The IP acts as a heat sink, the cooler fuel moving though it helps keep the PMD cooler than anywhere else in the engine bay. The problem is its still way to hot on the IP.
Do some pepole have good results with a engine mounted PMD? yes but the #s are lower.
Anyway its all been said a million times before. Do what you feel comfotable doing but just stop and think about it first.
IMO its temp swings that kill PMDs, so colder climates will see more failures when mounted under hood.
Example: 10 degree day you fire up the truck and get to engine operating temp of close to 195ish. Thats a huge temp swing in such a short time. The soilder joints expand and contract each time. AND! you might repete the process 3-5 times a day.
With the PMD remote mounted outside the engine bay it stays at a constant temp and at most might get warm to the touch.
The idea that putting a PMD ontop of the engine is going to cool the PMD is just ingnorant. Lets say its a hot summer day with 100 degree temps how is it possible for a heat sink to shed heat off the PMD when the heat/air surrounding the PMD is hotter? You are actually introducing heat to the PMD.
As far as running the engine to cool it before shut down really wont work for the PMD (maybe a turbo??). But, when you do shut it off the temps can raise to above whats on your ECT gauge and the PMD (mounted on engine) is just cooking at that point.
Also, think of the wasted fuel (=money) needed to run engine to "cool" the PMD before shut down. I know I don't have the discipline to do it.
Stanadyne did find the coolest spot of a operating temp engine and that was on the IP. The IP acts as a heat sink, the cooler fuel moving though it helps keep the PMD cooler than anywhere else in the engine bay. The problem is its still way to hot on the IP.
Do some pepole have good results with a engine mounted PMD? yes but the #s are lower.
Anyway its all been said a million times before. Do what you feel comfotable doing but just stop and think about it first.
Oh! forgot to say, is SSD still recomending the the IP ground be moved to the heat sink? Thats a terrible idea. Leave the ground on the IP!!. Why do you want to disturb a perfectly good ground and move it to the heat sink where the potential for a loose ground is increased dramaticaly.
NVW
Well-Known Member
10 minutes after the engine is shut off, place your hand on the heat sink.
Mine lasted 5 months and 3k miles.
Mine lasted 5 months and 3k miles.
guybb3
Member
With all the coolers in front, it doesn't take much of a front impact to put our trucks down anyway. Ask me how I know. The PMD in the bumper is the least of our worries.
DieselDogman
New Member
Not a salesman,not cheerleading just my oppinion guys. Ssd has been great to me on everything else. As I said that was from what I understand about pmd/fsd failures. If mine fails ,again,I will post about it to help others thats what this is all about. I appreciate the advice leroy,you seem very knowledeable,i mean that. Dieselcash I have done my homework, please dont be rude. "yay yay,ssd all the way,yaaaaay diesel! Jk. Lmao!
DieselDogman
New Member
I would be interested to hear about failures of intake mounted fsd from ssd. That would be a serious deterrant from placing it there. Not all heatsink kits are quality. There is more to the design than just ext cable and aluminum
- Staff
- #49
Obviously, you have not done any homework.
Don't worry SSD will screw you over like everyone else. It is just a matter of time.
You might want to keep leroy's number on speed dial on your phone when the SSD junk fails. Then you can get real satisfaction from a real 6.5TD business.
ak diesel driver
6.5 driver
ask about the quick heat glows that Walt sells.....
DieselDogman
New Member
Leroy diesel has a wonderful rep and im sure I will do buisness with him in the future. Dieselcash I was wondering if you have had any ssd parts or is this speculation? Also on that 93 I assume your running a mechanical ip so is fsd failure even a problem for you? I am here to learn and I learn new things everyday. I have spent a lot of $ on ssd so for my sake I hope your wrong. So far I am very pleased with them.
DieselDogman
New Member
I have ssd glow plugs and relay with no problems. About 30,000 mi no problems so far. I there something I should know about them?
- Staff
- #53
Been on the forums for 6.5TD's since 2006. Started searching for my truck around the same time. Took me a little over two years to find my truck. I purchased it in 2008. I got the 1993 for two reasons. One is I hate PMD/FSD along with computers, my truck has neither. The second I saw my truck in white in 1993 and I new I wanted one. Took me quite a few years later too afford one. I have never looked back.
In my 8 - 9 years on these forums I have seen SSD screw over more people than I can count. Like stated above search for the quick heat glows he has for sale. Do searches on google for how worthless his heat sink location is. His fail for the reason I stated above.
You can get an extension cable from leroy and move the SSD heat sink to behind the bumper. If you decide not too, purchase a spare PMD/FSD and keep it in the glove box. You will need it regardless of what brand or maker of PMD/FSD you use.
You will learn, you might already. SSD gets no love on this forum. He is not much appreciated around these parts.
The more you hang around you see that PMDs in the engine bay is a bad idea. I can't comment on SSD quality of PMD I don't even know what brand he is selling these days? But I can say if you do have a warranty he makes you jump though hoops before honoring a warranty.
As for me I ask for date purchased, email address, vin # and mileage installed and failed. I pull one out of inventory and send a new one ASAP. Anyway Blah Blah........
The Wellman/Dorman brand GP is absolute junk. If you buy those I sell a special tool for removing them :hihi:
As for me I ask for date purchased, email address, vin # and mileage installed and failed. I pull one out of inventory and send a new one ASAP. Anyway Blah Blah........
The Wellman/Dorman brand GP is absolute junk. If you buy those I sell a special tool for removing them :hihi:
jrsavoie
Recruit
I would get those glow plugs out of the engine or pull them, check them and re-install with new anti-seize or Kopper Kote.
I like to pull my glow plugs every 2 years just to give them a fresh coat of Kopper kote. It also give me a chance to do a visual on the glow plugs.
The SS diesel heat sink is a good unit. Where he tells you to install it - not so good. Though in my experience, I had my best luck with the old black Standynes in that very position. On the heat sinks that were out many years ago. They were imported from Europe back then.
Since then most of the PMDs have been crap. I've never been convinced that it wasn't as much a matter of where they were, than a matter of, if you got a good one or not. I've had as many fail in the bumper as under the hood.
But I put them in the bumper anyway. Based on what has worked for everybody else.
I'm anxious to see what happens with the latest edition of the Flight Systems PMD. So far, they seem like the best bet out there
I like to pull my glow plugs every 2 years just to give them a fresh coat of Kopper kote. It also give me a chance to do a visual on the glow plugs.
The SS diesel heat sink is a good unit. Where he tells you to install it - not so good. Though in my experience, I had my best luck with the old black Standynes in that very position. On the heat sinks that were out many years ago. They were imported from Europe back then.
Since then most of the PMDs have been crap. I've never been convinced that it wasn't as much a matter of where they were, than a matter of, if you got a good one or not. I've had as many fail in the bumper as under the hood.
But I put them in the bumper anyway. Based on what has worked for everybody else.
I'm anxious to see what happens with the latest edition of the Flight Systems PMD. So far, they seem like the best bet out there
DieselDogman
New Member
Glows I got from ssd are acdelco
DieselDogman
New Member
Marine inj I got from ssd are bosch so maybe they shaped up since then. Idk. But I am very interested in the fuel filter you offer leroy. I like the idea of removing my fuel sock. You have very innovative products
DieselDogman
New Member
Leroy you also suggested behind blinker on core support as another option? Fins horizontal? I plan on making new bumper soon. My cuz does amazing metal fab for jeeps so we are making a beastly bumper for sub.
NVW
Well-Known Member
AC Delco 60g's are good plugs
Should be good, as Leo said 60g is the best a/c Delco.
Thank you, I try.
Fin dirrection really wont matter to much just make sure connetor is pointed down so water wont settle in.