FRC10 or Raptor

[625fireman]

Looking into redoing my entire fuel supply from tank to IP. What are y'alls opinion on wich is better FRC10 or Raptor?

 

[haggus]

I got the walbro from Leroy no complaints with it. I have never tried the raptor to compare. I will say the walbro from Leroy is one easy install.

 

[WarWagon]

You would need a relay mod to run the Raptor. The FRC10 will do the job and is proven. Both are good pumps. I run a 250 GPH Mallory similar to the Raptor. It cost more, but, hid a kinked hose for a longer time as my real issue.

The Raptor and the Mallory I run will kill the engine when (not if) they fail. The Walbro is flow on fail.

 

[guybb3]

The Raptor and the Mallory I run will kill the engine when (not if) they fail. The Walbro is flow on fail.

I think that is too important to ignore

 

[DieselCash]

I know absolutely nothing about a raptor.

The FRC-10, mine is dead with less than 2 years on the truck and less than 14,000 miles of run time. I took mine apart and found no damage and used a comparison to what WW posted on his dead FRC-10. I think I somehow killed the motor on it. I run a pre-filter of the fuel before it gets to the pump. I do not run any type of bio. Every to every other tank I run power service with 2 stroke oil.

I have called walbro twice, no return call and did not talk to anything but a voice recorder. I see a lot of people having good luck with walbro. I have not.

I called leroy and he has not returned my call either.

I even started a thread on my problems and a few people responded.

I have since gone to a wrecking yard and purchased a lift pump off a banged up suburban. I have also purchased some lift pumps from members on here.

I feel it is a crab shoot on what you are going to get. The walbro was a good reliable pump when it worked. It died when I needed it most, while on vacation. Isn't that how it always happens! I don't think anyone offers a lifetime warranty on lift pumps anymore. With that being stated i think you can get two walbros for the price of one raptor.

In the end it is your money. Get what you feel will keep you happy and safe from breakdown.

 

[dangerousdave]

In the end it is your money. Get what you feel will keep you happy and safe from breakdown.

:RV
I agree, and add; carry a spare if you're going to stick with OEM type. I had the Walbro and the OEM in series until the OEM died. The Walbro pushed the fuel past the bad LP ok, but I noticed immediately the drop in pressure. I think I remember someone here having 2 pumps in parallel with valves and a switch to change from one to the other in a minute.

I carry spares of several things.

 

[WarWagon]

I hate lift pumps for DieselCash's and my experience. I have burned up all of the ones I have tried including the FRB-5 and FRC-10 and blew a seal on the Mallory. The Walbro's got me more than 3-6 month life before failure. Extremely bad fuel scored them up. (I lost the IP and injectors on one from the fuel.) Walbro did send me rebuild kits for the FRB-5 no charge. No Kit available for the FRC-10.

I would follow up with Leroy, however, I assume he will tell you the same thing as he told me - out of warranty.

IMO electronics failures are less common of a failure mode aside of the OPS. But with my failures one LP leaking diesel out of the wires at the connector and another with bad brushes this isn't saying much.

I test my lift pumps PSI at each oil change or if I have power issues. Others run a full time PSI gauge because failure is so common.

 

[1999gmc]

Mine died 13(7-8K miles) months later. I run stanadyne, a pre filter, and no funky diesel. Just regular #2. Mine started out not working sometimes, then not at all. Then it would start working again. My original went for 150K miles. If this next Walbro I just bought fails, I will probably go back to a AC Delco pump. I was under the impression these pumps were damn near bullet proof compared to the stock one. So if I have another failure in 13 months, I will be real disappointed in MADE IN USA and won't waste my money on another one.

 

[great white]

Raptor 100 here.

50,000 Km's on it and approx 3.5-4 years.

Steady 10-11 psi no matter what the load and no issues.

Pureflow sells a "kit" for the 6.5 trucks that gives you 1/2 eaton push lock lines (enough for tank to filter manager) as well as the relay kit.

Not cheap: just under 400 bucks back when I bought it.

I don't regret spending 1 dollar of that money on it....

 

[Burning oil]

Raptor is great and if you are redoing the entire systems (lines, pump, filter...) then its a good choice for the money.
Otherwise Walbro has been a great choice for most. The bad thing is Walbro only honors a 30 day warranty on them.
I always recomend keeping a back up LP in the tool box and using a relay.

Marty, I never heard from you?

 

[great white]

More info on Pureflow pumps for consideration:

Thank you for your communication.

All units have a pass through capability. The AD's have a ball in them which stops pass through flow under normal operation. When there is power to the pump the ball is pulled into position to shut off pass through flow. When there is no power to the pump, the ball will lie in the pass through position allowing a pass through flow. The design of the Raptor does not include the ball. It has pass through capabilities whether the power is on or the power is off.

Please do not hesitate to contact us if we can be of further assistance to you.

Thank you.

I pray you have a great day.

Toby A. Parks
PureFlow Technologies, Inc.
Quality Assurance Manager / Technician
Tech Cell Ph No (573) 694-8833
Sales Office Ph No (877) 463-7363 or (573) 635-0555
Fax No (573) 635-0778

 

[great white]

More info on Pureflow pumps for consideration:

Forgot to mention: Ken has said on another forum he has driven 200 miles on a raptor 100 with 0 fuel pressure. That was part of that whole lee auto ranch/cummins mucked up install thing. Wasn't the pumps fault, improper wiring installation. Pump fired right up once fixed apparently.

 

[haggus]

Forgot to mention: Ken has said on another forum he has driven 200 miles on a raptor 100 with 0 fuel pressure. That was part of that whole lee auto ranch/cummins mucked up install thing. Wasn't the pumps fault, improper wiring installation. Pump fired right up once fixed apparently.

Damn all this talk about fuel pumps now I want a raptor for my truck it seems the 400.00 is worth it . I am still happy with the Walbro but it sounds as if they fail about as often as the OEM. I do have the OPS relay mod and extension hose from Leroy and up to this point no problems at all with the Walbro I would like to add a pre-filter setup and loose the sock in the tank. Thinking of a fuel pressure tap I really should be monitoring those fuel pressures as well. This would provide a better indication and since it is post FFM you can tell if you need to change that filter sooner if you get dirty fuel. All these gauges will make the truck cab start to look more like an airplane cockpit than a truck cab.

 

[great white]

Damn all this talk about fuel pumps now I want a raptor for my truck it seems the 400.00 is worth it . I am still happy with the Walbro but it sounds as if they fail about as often as the OEM. I do have the OPS relay mod and extension hose from Leroy and up to this point no problems at all with the Walbro I would like to add a pre-filter setup and loose the sock in the tank. Thinking of a fuel pressure tap I really should be monitoring those fuel pressures as well. This would provide a better indication and since it is post FFM you can tell if you need to change that filter sooner if you get dirty fuel. All these gauges will make the truck cab start to look more like an airplane cockpit than a truck cab.

Well, you can almost buy 4 walbros for the price of the raptor 100, so that's in it 's favor.

Most walbros also have rebuild kits IIRC. Not so with the raptor.

Finally, even the smallest raptor 100 is "overkill" gph wise for 99.999% of the 6.5's out there.

Fuel pressure is a very important parameter to monitor IMHO. My truck has one.

 

[WarWagon]

The death of the "electronics" in the Walbro is not a rebuild item. The FRC-10 does not have a rebuild kit available.

GPM is overkill, however, the big question comes down to reliability. I feel the clear winner would be either pump over stock. The electronics failures are a vote against the FRC-10. Just finding a good decent life pump with heavy use and biodiesel has been a challenge for me. I wouldn't use a stock pump again, ever.

 

[ak diesel driver]

Damn all this talk about fuel pumps now I want a raptor for my truck it seems the 400.00 is worth it . I am still happy with the Walbro but it sounds as if they fail about as often as the OEM. I do have the OPS relay mod and extension hose from Leroy and up to this point no problems at all with the Walbro I would like to add a pre-filter setup and loose the sock in the tank. Thinking of a fuel pressure tap I really should be monitoring those fuel pressures as well. This would provide a better indication and since it is post FFM you can tell if you need to change that filter sooner if you get dirty fuel. All these gauges will make the truck cab start to look more like an airplane cockpit than a truck cab.

if you are thinking of Leroy's fuel pressure tap out of the top of the FFM it's pre filter. best place would be after the FFM

 

[625fireman]

Thanks for all the input, not seeing a clear winner though both have good and bad.

 

[Paveltolz]

Forgive not referencing the FRC-10 or Raptor....

I ran the Walbro FRB-5 for more than a couple of years, covered a lot of ground with it and the Pre-LP Filter (Purchased through Leroy). It is still a functional unit though I never had the fuel / bug issues Warwagon had either and ran only #2 and two-stroke lubricant through it. Only issue I had was forgetting to fill the new filters with diesel when changing them out. I admit to not pulling as hard with it as Warwagon and others but I did drive the truck on many a road trip for some very long days. I never felt that I had an issue with starvation.

I now run an AirDogII (basically a Raptor on steroids with filter and water/air separator; it came with the new motor or I'd still be running the Walbro.
Pureflow's push lock line kit was purchased to complete a tank to IP line replacement though the 1/2" lines had to be necked up and down from 3/8" at the tank and IP. I used the fittings from Leroy's kit at the tank to make it work so the Walbro purchase just kept giving. So, if you want to use a Walbro and get those fittings, you can still replace the lines from tank to IP with 3/8" without the expense of the Pureflow line kit. Something else to consider. Like I said, I'd still be running the Walbro as I consider the price and capability of the AirDog/Raptor to be overkill for the majority of us. The FRB-5 is rated at 8-11 psi, flow on fail, doesn't need priming and the WVO guys love them still.

 

[dangerousdave]

I'm totally happy with my Walbro FRB-5 from Leroy. With my Racor prefilter and the FFM, I wasn't too thrilled with the pressure, so I asked Leroy about it. He sold me a stronger spring for it, cheap. It's not horrible out of the box, but I like to see over 7psi when loaded plus trailer going uphill. We've since done that 2,00km to Cabo and back, over the mountain San Diego to San Fran, and out to Cape cod, Mass.

Yea, Leroy!

On edit, Always install a T in the fuel line right before the IP to show all filters and LP condition.

 

[NVW]

I've just been lucky, had my truck since March 05 and am still running the pump it came with. Have a FRB-5 in a box that I'm too lazy to install.