Will L.
Well-Known Member
Book warning!! Get your coffee ready...
I agree it is competitor talking smack however, anything they put to print that is inaccurate opems them to huge lawsuit.
One thing I learned in working with fuels being produced that you may not know ot be taking into account is about temperature reading accuracy.
One of the owners of the company (guy that started experiments of plastic to oils/fuels back in the 70's) also taught applied physics at the university. He brought in some beakers and bunson burners for a demonstration of different materials vs different thermocouples (temp probes) after an event...
Ever notice that a thermometer probe for testing food cooked is different metal than that for testing a persons under their tounge? How about different metal for testing engine oil/transmission fluid temp is different than one for the engine coolant? They are different metals and different scales and ADJUSTED DIFFERENTLY for a reason.
Thermal conductivity of the material being measured - in this case the ability of the liquid to transfer it's heat to the probe can have a huge difference. For instance thermal factor of diesel fuel (0.13) compared to ethelyne glycol (0.258). We made and were "cooking & cooling" into existance diesel fuel and used ethelyne glycol to control the cooling for mass production, so I know those numbers quite well. What they mean is basically one is almost exactly twice as thermally conductive as the other, obvious which is better. But did you know that if you let the 19 year old kid who is helping out, install the 2 probes in each others place without double checking him, it almost causes a massive explosion that nearly killed us and anyone driving by at the time? So glad I believe in the theory of end the process if it doesn't "feel right" regardless of monitors and money lost. Multple back up monitors were the next plant modification for some reason. Haha.
So back in track, you would really need to know the thermal conductivity of the evans (or other product) and use an appropriate probe. I know, they will tell you to use the stock one. Just ask yourself why if the same exact one works on coolant and oils, why do auto, semi, and heavy equipment manufacturers spend the extra money to use different ones in production when any 14 year old knows using multiples of the same one would save them money and increase their profit. How far off are they?
Next is how much slower reacting is the waterless to transfer it's heat. And keep in mind it isn't just slower at transferring it to the probe, it is slower at the block and heads transferring heat into the evans and the evans into the radiator. I believe it was @Sand here (correct if I'm wrong) that just in the last month or so commented how with his new balanced flow waterpump he can watch his temp accurately swing up and down like a pendulum as the t-stats are opening and closing. Think you get that fast a reaction with something that takes twice as long (probably longer actually) to transfer its heat to the probe? Nope, laws of physics says it cannont. If you want to know how accurate it really is and want the best thing on the planet, it is not environmentally friendy, and adds a bit of weight, but the best? Mecury. Lets see if my Hummer holds about 4 gallons....haha.
Remeber that high speed tube I mentioned before that the pilot (more than driver) got burned under from the evans? Inside that the engine we some some no-bueno stuff that because of racing competition I agreed to not share, but I know he won't mind me saying 2 things. 1. More than just the valve seats they mentioned see damage, they didnt run it hard and long enough. (<--Take it away Leroy) 2. Their 5-7% power loss is them being conservative in the event of a lawsuit.
Also the competitor, my bet is, when they are testing the temperature of the heads, it is not with a probed device in liquid, they are reading surface temps of the metal itself. They also are doing it on a gas engine, not a turbo diesel. My egt numbers are up there. WarWagon posted some high sustained numbers above mine. I wonder what that amount if added heat would do. The difference of my egt at 900 vs 1100 at the bottom of a hill is the difference at the top is 65mph vs 50mph and 195* vs 220*.
If you dont want any piting from coolant boiling off against your heads, and dont mind higher block and head temps, do like we used to at the track- block filler. Same results, just at a higher rung of the ladder.
I agree it is competitor talking smack however, anything they put to print that is inaccurate opems them to huge lawsuit.
One thing I learned in working with fuels being produced that you may not know ot be taking into account is about temperature reading accuracy.
One of the owners of the company (guy that started experiments of plastic to oils/fuels back in the 70's) also taught applied physics at the university. He brought in some beakers and bunson burners for a demonstration of different materials vs different thermocouples (temp probes) after an event...
Ever notice that a thermometer probe for testing food cooked is different metal than that for testing a persons under their tounge? How about different metal for testing engine oil/transmission fluid temp is different than one for the engine coolant? They are different metals and different scales and ADJUSTED DIFFERENTLY for a reason.
Thermal conductivity of the material being measured - in this case the ability of the liquid to transfer it's heat to the probe can have a huge difference. For instance thermal factor of diesel fuel (0.13) compared to ethelyne glycol (0.258). We made and were "cooking & cooling" into existance diesel fuel and used ethelyne glycol to control the cooling for mass production, so I know those numbers quite well. What they mean is basically one is almost exactly twice as thermally conductive as the other, obvious which is better. But did you know that if you let the 19 year old kid who is helping out, install the 2 probes in each others place without double checking him, it almost causes a massive explosion that nearly killed us and anyone driving by at the time? So glad I believe in the theory of end the process if it doesn't "feel right" regardless of monitors and money lost. Multple back up monitors were the next plant modification for some reason. Haha.
So back in track, you would really need to know the thermal conductivity of the evans (or other product) and use an appropriate probe. I know, they will tell you to use the stock one. Just ask yourself why if the same exact one works on coolant and oils, why do auto, semi, and heavy equipment manufacturers spend the extra money to use different ones in production when any 14 year old knows using multiples of the same one would save them money and increase their profit. How far off are they?
Next is how much slower reacting is the waterless to transfer it's heat. And keep in mind it isn't just slower at transferring it to the probe, it is slower at the block and heads transferring heat into the evans and the evans into the radiator. I believe it was @Sand here (correct if I'm wrong) that just in the last month or so commented how with his new balanced flow waterpump he can watch his temp accurately swing up and down like a pendulum as the t-stats are opening and closing. Think you get that fast a reaction with something that takes twice as long (probably longer actually) to transfer its heat to the probe? Nope, laws of physics says it cannont. If you want to know how accurate it really is and want the best thing on the planet, it is not environmentally friendy, and adds a bit of weight, but the best? Mecury. Lets see if my Hummer holds about 4 gallons....haha.
Remeber that high speed tube I mentioned before that the pilot (more than driver) got burned under from the evans? Inside that the engine we some some no-bueno stuff that because of racing competition I agreed to not share, but I know he won't mind me saying 2 things. 1. More than just the valve seats they mentioned see damage, they didnt run it hard and long enough. (<--Take it away Leroy) 2. Their 5-7% power loss is them being conservative in the event of a lawsuit.
Also the competitor, my bet is, when they are testing the temperature of the heads, it is not with a probed device in liquid, they are reading surface temps of the metal itself. They also are doing it on a gas engine, not a turbo diesel. My egt numbers are up there. WarWagon posted some high sustained numbers above mine. I wonder what that amount if added heat would do. The difference of my egt at 900 vs 1100 at the bottom of a hill is the difference at the top is 65mph vs 50mph and 195* vs 220*.
If you dont want any piting from coolant boiling off against your heads, and dont mind higher block and head temps, do like we used to at the track- block filler. Same results, just at a higher rung of the ladder.
