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260,XXX Miles.Ok Marty,
Give the run down on this engine as refresher please.
Lot of questions- all relevant.
How many miles on this engine -plans for replacement soon or trying for a ton more miles out of it?
How often do you add coolant and how much/ miles driven. If not logging that- start.
Have you added the GM coolant tablets?
What coolant?
Have you gotten it hot recently?
If it’s been apart:
What head gaskets? Head bolts or studs?
What turbo and boost numbers?
Condition on heads when apart? Have you done the sleeve into steam pockets between valves? Condition of precup cracking?
I'm more of a look for a donor vehicle kind of guy. I've had hundreds of thousands of miles of good results.All good points.
I am thinking that I’ll pull this engine. Drop the pan, check the cracked main webs, I am sure they are, and if they are cracked then I dont know.
I do want to at least do a rering and bearings, cam bushings and the head tube kits.
I will pull the t-stat cross over and see which side is bubbles but probably will do the fix on both heads if the block is worth messing with.
Maybe sell it back to the guy i bought it for, four or five grand and cut my losses and run.
I even thought about a duramax conversion. But the truck would not be worth that. Who knows when differentials is going to blow, etc.
I took off and came to the cabin. Not sure when I’m going to go home. Next week sometime, Wednesday, thursday ? The Power Wagon needs to come out before I can mess with the 6.5.
Yeah, that sample set in a pan in the garage for a couple of weeks before the sampler kit arrived.I can't say for the metals in the oil, but is there a chance any coolant got into the engine when you had it apart fixing the cover gaskets and messing with injectors? how long was this oil ran before and leading up to the adventure on the valve cover gaskets?
what I'm getting at is as long as your not seeing your coolant levels going down, or any different "knock" noises from the engine, drive it to get some miles on the current oil change and send another sample off to be examined. you might even send a sample now and then again just before you decide to change it again.
do follow the about recommendation to keep an backup plan + food and water in the truck just in case. worst case is you have underlying major issues, best case is your sample was somehow contaminated between you bottling it to them testing it. I have heard of it happening where somewhere in the mix, it just turned out the be a bad sample. order you a oil sample suction gun and some tubing. the sample bottles we use a work screw to the gun, you attach a 1/8" piece of tubing and run it down the dipstick tube to pull a sample.
I have been told by others that when you pull a sample from the drain plug. it can easily get a bottle full of what's in the bottom of the pan.
I may have screwed up. I had some sort of stop leak from over the counter parts house stuff and added about a half of a bottle of that. Maybe six ounces. Dont rememer the brand. I will go to the Chevy dealer when I get back home and get some tablets, although, i am torn at the tablets or pull the heads. I’ll think on that a while.Doug said a key point that I thought and didn’t say, should have emphasized.
Why I said the cooling tablets:
I asked how much coolant you have to add and your answer was basically so little coolant that I almost wouldn’t worry about it.you are not dumping a ton of coolant in there constantly. They are telling you switch to oil changes at 1,000 mile’s because you are doing a flush of the system basically.
Yea the oil in there now is bad. Yes it is showing bearing wear and all that. But 260,000 miles on this engine that we know most likely they are not good candidates for a rebuild. With the expense is takes it’s better to trashcan the GM unit and find an optimizer to put money into. So who care if the gm block blows up.
If you are in a situation where truck breaks down on the road it could be dangerous for you- like I have a friend missing right leg- he can’t walk 5 miles so for him it could be deadly. For me, it is gonna be a sucky day because my plans for 1 day get ruined while I walk a few hours until cell service then wait for a tow truck. Maybe use a sick day at work.
I pulled out my optimizer and tore it down because it had low mileage and I knew it was a great candidate for rebuilding. But if my nephews 1988 6.2 starts to go- we aren’t pulling that engine until it is fully seized and has a couple rods laying on the ground. Get every last mile out it. Rare, but I have seen condemned engines run for 40,000 miles before actually dying. Most of the time they go about 5,000 miles when getting early warnings like this. But when dealing with a block not most likely to rebuild- might as well drive it unless you are in a dangerous area, or risky health condition.
You are talking about leaky ip- we all are seeing coolant in the oil- not diesel fuel.
And btw- I would be putting in low cost oil not synthetic anything. Yeah- run it for 1,000 miles and spin on new filter. Probably do that for next two thousand miles and would not bother with sampling- this is a condemned engine at this point. Don’t waste money on trying to get longest life from it. Then when you get close to the 3,000 mile level and it’s about time for the next oil change- THEN send in a sample.
Obviously you are watching for any loss of coolant along the way. If you start adding coolant frequently then expect engine death soon.
If money is a situation where you will probably get rid of the rig once engine is gone- or you’re not gonna put a new one in the truck but have to keep this running long as possible at lowest cost possible- then the right answer is pull both heads, new gaskets and diy the brass sleeves. Ignore bottom end keep running it.
260,000 miles on a truck that didn’t get the life extension tactics applied until 200,000 mile mark is not gonna make it to 350,000. Your shooting for 300,000 target. So running say 30,000 miles on bearings half gone- so what. Starts blow by soon- so what.
Other than doing a few oil changes at 1,000 mile mark and adding those tablets at this oil change, I would not spend an extra dime on longevity because it is looking like it is done soon.
If this engine were a candidate for - or you have to make it work because of money- yes do all the testing WarWagon is saying to. Otherwise- meh.
I once had a gm inline 6, 250 cid gasser. Head cracked and was sipping coolant like this 6.5 seems to be doing. I was broke and the roof of that car looked like roof of my home if ya get what I’m saying . I would change the oil at 1,000 miles and kept the old oil in a couple glass pickle jars. Old oil filter stored so it would drain out inside the new filters box. The next month was about 1,000 miles and the coolant separated from the oil. The filter dripped dry. That oil and filter went back in the engine and what came out sat there the next month.
About 8 weeks into this the head crack got bad enough I removed the pushrods to the bad cylinders valves. Dropped the pan and pulled that rod/piston. Popped the pan back on.
Still had to keep cycling to oil because of coolant contamination- which since only 3 months of winter here means cold enough- most the time was just water in the system- not spending money on antifreeze.
No, that engine didn’t make it super long- only about 35,000 miles, and i think I only bought 2 more qts of oil and never another filter. No more spark plugs or anything. Rented mule treatment. But money saved went to a better engine.
In your case the tablets are a worth while gamble. Not much else if ya wanna just push it. If ya wanna tear off heads- don’t buy tablets yet.
And the rebuild will be what will need to be done. I’ll do the transmission while I’m at it.So, you had 2200 miles on the oil, what oil was this, and did you change filters, what brand filter?
The TBN is way way off from a high quality oil for only 2k miles...
On the thought of rebuild or get rid of.... Used trucks aren't cheap, the way I look at it a quality build will go 200-300k miles with proper service, if the truck itself will last it's a good investment to spend 10k on a motor... To me anyway...