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No fuel to the injectors

roadruner said:
God i hate to say it but the more i think about this the more i just dont feel a need to be here. Thanks all for the advice and help. Please delete my account and thanks again
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AK is right, need a little bit thicker skin. Believe me this is one of the few that people will not believe you. If you dare to call God, Jesus have the thickest skin of all being Easter and all. You know what He did? I hope you do and He has not given up yet.

Anyway, it is up to you but the rest of us is trying to help but we are at our wits end also. So, with that in mind, my suggestion is to summarize what you have done so far and have NOT done so far because it is already gone to 3 pages and some of us don't have the patient nor time to go back to 1st page. Not that we want to but everybody is busy and this is just volunteer time.

The last step you need to do is to replace the PMD cable to replace your home made cable? Have you done that?
 
roadruner said:
It probly would of fired up if there was some trace of fuel in there to. But just starting fluid alone wont start a diesel from what i read..Doesnt there need to be some base fuel in there to start up? It did spitter but not start. And it didnt use oil and ran very smooth before all of this started.
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I've never heard this before. Is this true? Starting fluid should flash ignite well before diesel fuel does, I don't think you need a trace of diesel to have an engine start on starting fluid??
 
Matt Bachand said:
I've never heard this before. Is this true? Starting fluid should flash ignite well before diesel fuel does, I don't think you need a trace of diesel to have an engine start on starting fluid??
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Matt, a month or 2 back someone couldn't start their truck on ether until they lubed the cylinders with oil or diesel. The cyls. were so dry comp was down until they were lubed up.
 
Makes sense... then RoadRuner your truck should now start off of starting aids, properly applied with proper precautions taken.

Does it?
 
OP, you need to realize something here. Like stated above we are all volunteer's. We log in and attempt to solve peoples problems on a small computer screen. Most of the time, there are no pictures involved at all and we must go off of the statements that you have provided us. When we only have words to go off of, it is those very words that we will search for any discrepancies tht mights cause a problem. Based on your post, you claim that you pulled the injectors, FILLED the cylinders with fuel, replaced the injectors and hit the key. you then stated tat she fired right up and ran until "out of fuel". Like above stated, the high compression ratio, combine with multiple cylinders FULL of fuel, means hydro-lock. The starter will not be able to overcome the pressures and forces inside the cylinder to spin the motor over. It just doesn't work that way.

Take Leo's advice. Pull the glow plugs, get some oil going in there, and try to fire her up. Chances are that the cylinders have become so dry from you trying to start the motor unsuccessfully that the cylinder walls are dry(no oil). That oil assists in creating a perfect seal around the rings to get you your compression. No sealing between the cylinders and pistons means no amount of ether, gas soaked rag, marvel mystery oil, or anything for that matter will get it to fire. The fuel will simply be dumped into the crankcase.
 
roadruner said:
Really?? One would think this is made up? Well im sorry if my problems is in any way troubleing you.. Yes i pulled all 8 of the injectors. Yes it took very very very very little fuel in each one and no it did not hydolock. it took a good hour for me to reinstall them as im not as fast as most, and yes now there is fuel in the oil.. No there wasnt before.. Yes i drove the long ass drive cause i did not know of any other places and me being new to diesel i can only go by what i hear or read and my local shop said go there so i did. Does the only diesel mech have a way to test pumps??? No he does not. Yes i did pay 75 to have the damn thing tested twice and yes it did piss me off to do so.. But i figured im there and its my luck it tested good then went bad on the next turn. So i might be dumb, or over checking but im trying to do everything myself to learn and to double check everything as i go.. so anyways im sorry for your doughts, but im the one that is out of a truck for awhile now and out of alot of money trying to fix it myself. Please forgive my stupidy. I will try not to ask for advice anymore. Good day..
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Even the cylinders that were at the bottom of the stroke took very very little fuel to fill?

And if it was VERY VERY VERY little fuel, How can you tell that there is now fuel in the crankcase?

Not being an ass here, just trying to weed out the frustration slang and the facts.

And if the glows weren't active (which should ignite the diesel sitting in the cylinders all at once), how did you get it to start without heat?
 
roadruner said:
Update! A new injector pump installed still a no go.. I took it off again and took the 2 1/2 hour drive to the closest pump shop near me.. It tested perfect. I had him retest again it sence i was there anyways and he was nice enough to charge 75.00 each time he tested it.. Anyways it tested good again.. Now i take the long drive back home with my mind going nuts... I installed it again, i checked all my grounds again, i checked all my voltage again, and still a no go.. Ok now im pissed... So as any pissed off guy would do i went beyond reasonable thinking... I pulled out all the injectors and filled the cylnders with fuel... I put the injectors back in hit the key and she fired up.. Once the fuel burned out thats all she wrote.. I tryed cranking and bleeding with no luck again.. So no matter what i just dont have fuel comming out of the pump...She ran perfect while she was running and sounded very strong as normal untill she died again.. Ok now im very very lost.. Anyone have any ideas?
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I'm sorry. I think your pulling our leg and wasting our time as the offending (to you) post suggested. I'm rained out the last few days and nothing better to do than pull this thread apart. IT started as trying to help, but the more I read, the more I think you're just wasting our time, trying to help you.

I've posted this and deleted this many many times. But I'm not deleting this one.

Shits n giggles, if someone was to FILL a 6.5l engine with FUEL, wouldn't it take 3 liters or so of fuel to fill all 8 cylinders? 1/2 of engine displacement as half the pistons are up, and half the pistons are down? With some in between?
 
Matt,
I'm with you on the inconsistencies. I went back and re-read the entire thread before I posted my comments that offended roadrunner.

I made notes of the post numbers and the comments and then as I read and observed what didn't jive with previous post I got the feeling it's someone (or more then one)writing a script. Most always ending with a request for more help, to keep it going. In my opinion, just too many comments of double and triple checking things like voltages, and following Tim's (at Accurate Diesel) diagnostic to a T twice. And paying the turbo shop twice to do the same check.....? My guess is, a reputable shop would not charge twice to have a satisfied customer that drove 2 1/2 hours to get it right!

There was also a flippant attitude towards the funds spent, etc. that came across as appeasing the audience.

If he has a TD that is not running and wants help he needs to be straight forward and not playing word games.

It was General MacArthur who during WWII said to his communications officer, "Don't ever issue a communique that can be understood. Always issue a communique that CAN NOT be MISS understood!"

He also said, "We're not retreating, we're advancing in another direction!"

So am I.
 
So just to let you guys know, I was the one who told him about this site and asked him to join. He was getting some help on another site regarding this same problem and I told him this place was the site to be on, and the members here were second to none. I see a few of you made him feel real welcome.
 
He was probably playing games on that site too Gerald.

Believe nothing what you hear, 1/2 of what you see.

When all we can do is read words and look at pictures, and you are in need of dire help because you have the only engine in the world that dried out enough to lose enough compression in 5 weeks so it wont start on either, but starts when its chock full of diesel with very very very very little fuel.

Never answered the glowplug question asked by D2 before he ranted off.

:) :)

Make a fool out of Gerald once, Shame on you.
Make a fool out of Gerald twice, Shame on Gerald.

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I'll take my chances on my side of the fence here. Guys getting some great help and snaps on one the the helpers because he wanted to iron out a few details....

It's hard to express mood on a computer screen.

Smile guys. We've been punkd.
 
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