Update! A new injector pump installed still a no go.. I took it off again and took the 2 1/2 hour drive to the closest pump shop near me.. It tested perfect. I had him retest again it sence i was there anyways and he was nice enough to charge 75.00 each time he tested it.. Anyways it tested good again.. Now i take the long drive back home with my mind going nuts... I installed it again, i checked all my grounds again, i checked all my voltage again, and still a no go.. Ok now im pissed... So as any pissed off guy would do i went beyond reasonable thinking... I pulled out all the injectors and filled the cylnders with fuel... I put the injectors back in hit the key and she fired up.. Once the fuel burned out thats all she wrote.. I tryed cranking and bleeding with no luck again.. So no matter what i just dont have fuel comming out of the pump...She ran perfect while she was running and sounded very strong as normal untill she died again.. Ok now im very very lost.. Anyone have any ideas?
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No fuel to the injectors
- Thread starter roadruner
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jrsavoie
Recruit
Do you have a steady stream of fuel out of the drain when you have the lift pump jumpered?
Did you try starting with the fuel shut down solenoid plunger removed?
I would double check ALL wires for continuity on your extended harness to the PMD.
If you had it started and running as you stated it should always run a little if misted with fuel, Marvel or Seafoam.
This has to be extremely frustrating. I almost want to blow something up just reading about it.
Matt Bachand
Depends on the 6.5
I'd say your lucky you didn't hydrolock the engine filling them with fuel, considering the near zero clearance high compression, but it didn't.
You have all lights at WTS?
You have funky ignition switch games? That is a common failure point.
ECM Fuse? good? Contacts clean and tight?
No Alarms or Remote Start installed?
Do you get ANY white smoke out the pipe without starting aids?
Clogged return line possibly causing incoming pressure issues?
PMD Wires good? Ground on IP?
Any Security?
No Clog between Filter Manager and IP Inlet?
You have all lights at WTS?
You have funky ignition switch games? That is a common failure point.
ECM Fuse? good? Contacts clean and tight?
No Alarms or Remote Start installed?
Do you get ANY white smoke out the pipe without starting aids?
Clogged return line possibly causing incoming pressure issues?
PMD Wires good? Ground on IP?
Any Security?
No Clog between Filter Manager and IP Inlet?
kojo
diesel head
Maybe your original pump took yur pmd with it when it died? that has happened to me once..
Truck had all typical pmd synptoms, stalled one more time and wouldn't run with new pmd, so it was pump, but new pump wouldn't run with original pmd..
Truck had all typical pmd synptoms, stalled one more time and wouldn't run with new pmd, so it was pump, but new pump wouldn't run with original pmd..
jrsavoie
Recruit
X2 on that. I'm wondering if the cylinders are dried out and most of the diesel made it's way to the pan?
It's OK to squirt light oil in the cylinders and crank it before reinstalling the glows.
Yes great amount of fuel comming out... tryed starting with the shutdown switch out and no go, all wires are correct on voltage, continuity and all termenals are nice and clean. The odd thing is i do have fuel comming out of 1 port on the back of the ip pump. Thats kinda strange to me.
I got all lights, the ignition switch had never gave me any problems, the only odd thing is the key only turns one way. flip the key over and it wont turn. Ecm fuse is good, ecm is good, factory security works correctly and has been went threw twice. No white smoke and in fact she hardly ever smoked even under heavy loads.. Return line is clear, pmd is new again and tested on different truck. a;; wires are clean and grounded and went threw 4 times so far. No clogs to the ip. It shoots fuel very nicely when i take the line off the ip. Kinda getting fustrated alittle... lol... Thanks
ip pump tested good, and the pmd is a good one. In fact all 3 pmd's i got is tested on different truck and working properly. Thanks.
D2 Cat
Member
roadruner,
I've read all the pages to your predicament, and you've covered a lot of bases.
If it were me I would buy an extension for the PMD before I broke down to go to the dealer. I know you said you built it and double and triple checked it.
You've done so much cleaning and replacing on your truck it has to be something simple. And from all the symptoms you express, that's where I put my bet. And it's less then $50.
You mention you drove 2 1/2 hours to the nearest pump shop....where in S.E. Kansas are you? Iola turbo is right in the middle of S.E. Kan. I'm 50 miles north of there. If I can help I'd be glad to.
I've read all the pages to your predicament, and you've covered a lot of bases.
If it were me I would buy an extension for the PMD before I broke down to go to the dealer. I know you said you built it and double and triple checked it.
You've done so much cleaning and replacing on your truck it has to be something simple. And from all the symptoms you express, that's where I put my bet. And it's less then $50.
You mention you drove 2 1/2 hours to the nearest pump shop....where in S.E. Kansas are you? Iola turbo is right in the middle of S.E. Kan. I'm 50 miles north of there. If I can help I'd be glad to.
I went to olathe as its the only one i knew of. Im in parsons ks way down at the s.e corner. Well honestly im so far in with this problem money and labor wise that i dont see a reason to not spend alittle more, so i will order a new extention harness and give it a shot. On a side note i did put the pmd back on the ip pump and ran the factory wires and plug that i had just to make sure. But like i said i will get that ordered tomarrow and give it a shot. Thanks for the advice and offer.
D2 Cat
Member
Diesel and Turbo of Iola, 620-365-5232 are very helpful and knowledgeable. If you need help with injectors, pull yours and take them up there. They will check pop pressure and spray pattern at no cost.
I took a set from this '95 I bought (as is, where is--not running) to them. They checked them while I waited and visited with them in the back room. They've done the same on a 730 Case a while back. They are way closer then Olathe for you.
I took a set from this '95 I bought (as is, where is--not running) to them. They checked them while I waited and visited with them in the back room. They've done the same on a 730 Case a while back. They are way closer then Olathe for you.
Matt Bachand
Depends on the 6.5
Give Bill Heath a call. See what he has to say about it.
You must be close. As frustrated as you are, don't give in.
D2 Cat
Member
This post seems strange. The part I made bold. Injectors are removed and cylinders are filled with fuel? If the cylinders (eight of them) are filled with fuel the engine will not turn over. It's hydrolocked as previously mentioned.
If you fill the cylinders with fuel how long does it take to get the injectors installed? Then is the glow plug system disconnected? If not, there's going to be a commotion in there when they begin to glow in any fuel.
Was it running just fine with the fuel in the cylinders and just sucking air into the intake? Was the turbo installed? Is there fuel in the oil from fuel leaking past the rings while getting everything together?
As I read this I begin to wonder about the sincerity of everything described. Sounds like a story created to entertain a BB! Going 2 1/2 hours to get an IP, (when there is a turbo specialty shop within 1 hour) then going back to check it out and then paying another $75 to double test it.....? Is this all real? But I want to know the answer.
Really?? One would think this is made up? Well im sorry if my problems is in any way troubleing you.. Yes i pulled all 8 of the injectors. Yes it took very very very very little fuel in each one and no it did not hydolock. it took a good hour for me to reinstall them as im not as fast as most, and yes now there is fuel in the oil.. No there wasnt before.. Yes i drove the long ass drive cause i did not know of any other places and me being new to diesel i can only go by what i hear or read and my local shop said go there so i did. Does the only diesel mech have a way to test pumps??? No he does not. Yes i did pay 75 to have the damn thing tested twice and yes it did piss me off to do so.. But i figured im there and its my luck it tested good then went bad on the next turn. So i might be dumb, or over checking but im trying to do everything myself to learn and to double check everything as i go.. so anyways im sorry for your doughts, but im the one that is out of a truck for awhile now and out of alot of money trying to fix it myself. Please forgive my stupidy. I will try not to ask for advice anymore. Good day..