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International Diesel in NY quesiton

DEERE3594 said:
is the squirters just above the cylinders in the pic?


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anyone???

What year oil pump should I get if I where to try a new one?
 
those are squirters, yes. the 6.5 uses a different system though, because squirters are supposed to be a good thing, and everyone with a 6.5 hates them due to weakening the block. I know the big ole EMD 2-stroke we have here at the school has squirters, and we check the clearance to the piston every now and then. They are a good thing on the EMD.
 
I know that SSDiesel has them for 150... thats the high volume model. I'm not a huge fan of Walt, but that's one of the only places I seen them up for sale visibly.
 
Read that thread i posted, Justin... TVM changed out the Oil Pump and it didn't make any difference. If the squirters were bored too deep, or if they are the wrong size or even slightly defective, that will really drop your oil pressure.

I'm serious - PM Turbovanman or chat with Missy Good Wench about it - she had some great info on that, too. If youdrop the pan and disover that the oil pump IS the 97+ version, be prepared to do something else.
 
JiFaire said:
Read that thread i posted, Justin... TVM changed out the Oil Pump and it didn't make any difference. If the squirters were bored too deep, or if they are the wrong size or even slightly defective, that will really drop your oil pressure.

I'm serious - PM Turbovanman or chat with Missy Good Wench about it - she had some great info on that, too. If youdrop the pan and disover that the oil pump IS the 97+ version, be prepared to do something else.
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ahhh come on Jim, think positive for me ):h
I sent him one, and Im trying to get MGW to be my full time mechanic ):h
How does one tell what oil pump is what anyway?
 
DEERE3594 said:
ahhh come on Jim, think positive for me ):h
I sent him one,
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send him email
DEERE3594 said:
and Im trying to get MGW to be my full time mechanic ):h
How does one tell what oil pump is what anyway?
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Part number and by the spacer - see the pics Missy posted in that thread.

And I AM thinking positive, justin. Problem is, if you look in there and the oil pump IS the high-flow version, I'm positive that changing it for another high-flow pump won't solve your problem.

If this is a chinese block, with aftermarket squirters on it, then the squirters could well be the issue. The nozzles should be 0.047 - any bigger and you're losing oil pressure to empty air.
 
Changing squirts means pull the block? Where in the world do I find new ones? I dont think this truck is worth all that... I dont know
 
Well Justin, I'm not sure if the engine has to come out or now - I've never tried to RR one in a '97 C3500. If you can get the pan off without pulling the engine, then likely you can check the pump and the squirts right there.

Somebody else with some personal experience want to want to chime in here?
 
I think I have read you can get the pan off in 2 wheel drives. Looks like you can. What worrys me is: I cant turn a wrench, I just never get inside motors, let alone all this squirter stuff. All new to me here... I cant find them on any of the 6.5 part sites.. This something someone like me can do? Or would I be throwing money away like when I rebuilt my own 700r4 trans years ago :eek:
 
From my reading if it is the squirters I want to block them off?
 
Hang on... I sent turbovanman an email for ya. I think they can be blocked off, they aren't essential to the oil circulation, they were just put there for cooling and never did work very well for that.

If you can pull the pan enough to see the oil pump and make sure it's the right one, then you can do the rest of the work, Justin. It's nothing compared to being inside an auto tranny. Know the description and part numbers for the oil pump so that if it IS the right one, you don't waste a whole lot of time and money changing it out - unless that one is defective, if it is a 97+ pump, a new one shouldn't fix the problem.

The Fermanator made that comment early in this thread - international diesel has been known to put in the wrong pump... but if they didn't, then start looking elsewhere while you have it apart.
 
Ouch on your cant or dont want to wrench deal, gonna be hard to own and drive these old trucks without working on them yourself.
Unless you can find a good mechanic that wont stick it too you.
 
Sorry I am late to the party but I'll condense what I found in a few lines.

I tried a new chinese block and a working OEM GM block and both had no oil pressure at idle, hot. DO NOT ignore this, I had bearing damage after a few hours of messing around with it.

Bearing clearances were checked too many times to count, no missing galley plugs etc. We did put the pre squirter pump on the first rebuild not knowing and you can clearly see the difference, the new pump has the oil pump pickup as part of it, but that made no change, I even blocked off the turbo feed and oil cooler but again, no change.

We mocked up an oil system with the engine on the stand as we wanted to see where we were loosing pressure, we had 8 streams of oil, it was sick, we drained something like 10 litres in mere seconds, :eek: We tore it back down, spec'd the squirters, were at spec, checked crank numbers, bearing numbers, the list was endless, so we said screw it and plugged them off-we drilled and tapped the bores and put pipe plugs in. After that, problem solved. Is it a proper fix, I honestly don't know but its gone, no complaints so far, knock on wood and customer is happy. I just wish we know what the deal was. After we got done, we heard of it happening to another shop, :mad2:

To block those off, the engine has to be removed as does the crank. You can leave the heads on and pistons in if your careful.

I hope this helps. I also called Bill Heath and he was stumped.
 
Just a thought... Can you pull the squirters out and stick a short piece of tube in behind where they insert to act as a restriction orifice or in the entrance of the squirter itself? In any case, If you can pull the pan I'd get a new oil pump and try that.
 
Thanks turbovanman. That answers a couple questions, Justin - you will need to pull the engine to get at the squirters, and you can identify the oil pump by looking at it.

Still doesn't tell you what to do... maybe Mike is right and a new pump will do it, or maybe there's another way to plug the squirts without disassembling things too much. If you have never done much wrenching, you probably don't want to be pulling the crank without some help.
 
davo727 said:
Ouch on your cant or dont want to wrench deal, gonna be hard to own and drive these old trucks without working on them yourself.
Unless you can find a good mechanic that wont stick it too you.
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I never take anything to a mechanic, but after years and years of bad luck and dollar after dollar Im sure going back to an old TBI 454 for my next truck. :eek:
Not giving up on the 6.5s yet though
Thanks for all the replys and PMs fellas, Ill hopefully get the pan droped in the next week and see if I can get out of work before dark. unless I find a block for my 94 then this will go on hold
 
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