Bad dealings with Teds Trucks!

[96Sub1500]

I will sell you a mostly complete truck with unknown miles, unknown hours, unknown maintenance, unknown year, unknown treatment; and I will warranty it with an exchange of: a mostly complete truck with unknown miles, unknown hours, unknown maintenance, unknown year, unknown treatment...

Sound like something you'd be interested in?

People, we need a reality check here...

What a cop-out. Who needs a reality check? The point of Ted's is no junk. Ted basically says "buy from me, I test them, the other vendors on ebay do not. This is not junk". If I want junk I'll take my chances on govliquidation. From Ted's own description:

6.5 GM Turbo
Chevy Diesel Engine
Long Block Good Condition, Tested, Low Miles


WHAT DOES THIS SALE CONSIST OF?

This sale is for one used 6.5 Litre diesel engine center mount turbo long block from a military Humvee.

WHERE DID THESE ENGINES COME FROM?

This is one of many excellent take-out 6.5 Turbo'd diesel engines that we have on hand from military Humvees'. They were taken out of running Humvees' in the military's periodic re-power program.

ARE THESE ENGINES TURBO COMPATIBLE?

These engines will replace the turbo'd van application or any other vehicle that has the turbo mounted in the "valley" between the heads (like in some H1 Humvees). If your turbo is mounted on the side of the heads this engine will not work.

Perfect for step vans, motor homes and original H1 Humvee's

Give us a call for more information 334-983-1092

ENGINE DESCRIPTION:

It consists of the valve covers, heads, block, timing chain and housing, harmonic balancer, oil pan, exhaust manifold and center mount turbo. It does not include the injector pump, injectors, injector fuel lines, oil filter bracket, sensors, water pump, flywheel, glow plugs or vacuum pump.

CAN I PUT THESE IN CIVILIAN VEHICLES?

YES! If you have a center mount turbo 6.5 that you have blown or worn out, all the external parts from your engine should fit on this long block. The block and heads on the center mount 6.5 for Humvees are basically the same as the civilian engines. The oil pan is deeper, so you may have to put the oil pan from your old engine on this engine. The holes that the oil cooler lines screw into are larger on this block, so you may have to add a bushing to match the thread size.
We do not recommend trying to make a complete 6.5 using 6.2 parts. Although a 6.5 will run with 6.2 parts, it will not run right and will not have the power of a normal 6.5. The year on our engines vary, but all your components should fit regardless of the year of your application.

WHAT KIND OF CONDITION ARE THESE ENGINES IN?

EXCELLENT! Because we have multiples of these, the picture we have provided is from an engine we have already sold. Other engines will be in similar shape.Keep in mind that these are TAKE OUT engine. THEY ARE NOT BRAND NEW. They might have very small dents in the oil pan or the valve covers and show normal scratches, discoloration, etc. from being in use or moved around during removal and/or storage. None of these minor cosmetic flaws affect the performance or reliability of the engines in any way.

HOW MANY MILES DO THESE ENGINES HAVE ON THEM?

The engines had in the 10,000-40,000 mile range when they were pulled from the HMMWVEE. We can not tell the exact mileage on each engine as they were not marked when we got them from the contractor.

HOW CAN I BE SURE I AM GETTING A GOOD PRODUCT?

We have sold hundreds of these and ALL HAVE BEEN TEST-RUN by our own team of certified mechanics. We also COMPRESSION CHECK EACH ONE and they must meet our standards or we don't sell them. They sound great and hold 50 lbs. oil pressure at idle and about 75 lbs. at higher RPMs.

They do not have any leaks or other problems that we can see. We want them to be trouble-free. When YOU don't have problems, WE don't have problems.

WHAT ABOUT SHIPPING?

We drain all fluids before shipping. We get very good rates from our trucking companies. NOTE: CONTACT US PRIOR TO PURCHASE FOR SHIPPING QUOTE.

International Buyers please message us or give us a call 334-983-1092

NOTE:All Engines shipping outside of Alabama will require a crate to protect them in transit. Crating fee is 100.00 and will be included in your ship quote. Message or call us for a freight quote prior to purchase.
Transit times vary with each shipment. We can usually ship 2-3 days after purchase. We will contact you with shipment tracking information as soon as the engine leaves our site.

DO YOU HAVE OTHER TYPES OF ENGINES SIMILAR TO THIS?

We carry 6.2L engines from same program. We were the first to have the 6.2's on e-bay and have sold over 400 of them to happy customers.

We have tried to answer some of the questions that you have had. If you have any other questions please give us a call or drop us a line. 334-983-1092 Monday-Friday 8-5 cst or email us anytime!

 

[3500GMC]

Yeah yeah yeah, I've read the nomenclature....

I don't buy it.

If I were a Mod, I'd delete most of your post.

The engines should be sold as $300 cores, nothing more. This is my opinion.

 

[bison]

This is my 'sticking point'. I'm waaaay to cynical for the used engine arena. I guess I just do things the 'hard way'........Carry on carry on.

So am i

 

[94DieselSub]

Hi Guys,

"I'm waaaay to cynical for the used engine arena"

Well to tell you the truth over the last three decades I’ve purchased new, crate, reman, used, pullouts, junkyard engines. All were successful! Some I tore down and inspected, some I just installed because I trusted the seller. The one common denominator for most of the above was I paid a fraction of the money I paid to Teds Trucks. These ARE advertised as “tested excellent condition longblocks” from a legit business. These are not supposed to be used up cores, that as someone else has already coin perfectly as worth $300 not $2100!

And while not my personal experience, most mass produced castings have porosity to some degree, that’s normal. The 80-90’s aluminum Caddy blocks were famous for this, and there was a time when GM dropped Sealing Tabs into every vehicle that left the assembly line.

But technology has evolved, lost foam has replaced sand casting, and metal alloy purity & casting processes have vastly improved.

I on the other hand don’t have a mild case of casting porosity, nor an oxidized film/stain. What I have is two block & four heads with severe water erosion damage. One head has a pit formed around the edge of the fire ring that’s about 60+ thou deep and goes 180+ degrees around. The blocks have erosion/pitting in large patches that are on the order of 10-30 thou deep. Imagine the Cyl walls looking like a miniature version of coral, now you see the problem!



Chris

 

[matuva]

opcorn:

 

[Pepperidge]

I think before this gets out of hand, that maybe someone should let Teds(or Margaret) know this thread exists so they can at least defend themselves from any allegations that may or may not be true...

I'm not saying it isn't true, but I was always taught that there is two sides to every story...the truth usually lies somewhere in between...JMHO

 

[btfarm]

Rickey from Ted's would be silverwolf48, a TTS member.

 

[6.5L]

I still believe they have good motors. I bought one here a while back. Haven't been driving a lot but got about 3K on it so far with no problems. And I don't exactly drive it to the store and back. I drive it like I stole it. I am kind of a firm beleiver that if I am gonna make a vehicle to have fun with, that I am gonna have fun with it. Point being I have put this motor through some harsh times since I installed it and the motor has held up good. It is a NA style motor and has still held up to the occasional 18psi+ spikes in boost. I have been impressed with this block so far. Very impressed. Yet, there is a flip side. The motor was shipped very well. Although during swapping things, I did look inside the block and there was quite a bit of rusty "sludge" material. However, I did I very deep flushing of the block. Most of it came out. Some didn't, but I put it back together. The water is still a light rusty brown but now that most of the rust has been dislodged, next time I am in the shop, it is going to get flushed again and it should all clean up. I do however see people getting kind of "lemon" blocks. I have no fight with Ted's but I also agree with another member that there should be more extensive testing done to the blocks. Even if they pull the heads on every motor for inspection, and re-install the heads with new head gaskets, I would be ok paying a little extra for more of a promice of a working reliable motor. Any idea's?

 

[bison]

As with every used engine it is buyer beware.A comp test and run test establish just that,it has compression and it runs.it don't give one the whole scope of engine health.God only knows how it been used/abused?
Personally i never been lucky with a replacement used engine and i will never buy one again,not even under warranty.
Just to much hassle redoing the whole shebang again

 

[JiFaire]

OK, boys, let's step away from the table here...

94dieselsub, you've made your point. You have an issue with Ted's Trucks, and you need to have that conversation with them. This site isn't into censorship, and won't be deleting parts of your posts, but you've had your say. About the only way this will continue is if somebody from Ted's wants to join in the conversation and tell the other side of the story.

Otherwise, let's just stop right here.

As others have mentioned, there have been threads about Ted's before, and they have come through every time for our members. It appears you may be having issues, but a one-man rant here isn't the way to solve those.

Thanks for the warning, and for sharing your story.

Respectfully,
Jim

 

[94DieselSub]

Hi JiFaire,

Yeah you’re probably right; I’ll be the first to admit I am blowing off a lot of steam on this thread!
It’s therapeutic I guess!
But please realize my intentions are genuine!
If my rants & raves steer even one person away from the pain in the A$$ ordeal I’m going through, then mission accomplished!
I hate seeing people get burned, especially me.

If Ted, Rick, Margaret wish to discuss these matter on this Forum I think that would be great!!!!
As I have photographic documentation on both engines, email server logs, and receipts for replacement parts & machining.
If they want to try to point out anything I’ve posted as not factual I would loooove to disprove it right out in front of everyone!

Well then, that's it for me!
If by some chance they do respond, as Arnold would say I'll-be-back!
Thanks for listening, and buyers beware to all!

Chris

 

[3500GMC]

I would be ok paying a little extra for more of a promice of a working reliable motor. Any idea's?

Go to your local independently owned and operated engine rebuilder with a parts yard core, or start collecting the necessary castings to build your next engine, block here, crank there, pistons here, cam there.... Have them do the machine work to your specs, and either A) have them build it, or B) you build it, if you have the tools, if not get the necessities and have the satisfaction of doing it yourself. :thumbsup:

It's called piece of mind, know whatta mean?

 

[DZZ71]

Hi 3500GMC,

Your response to this debacle is hilarious, and I probably would’ve cracked a smile reading it! But because of Ted’s Tucks my wallet is $2100 lighter, I’ve got three dead 6.5 plugging up my garage floor, and a dead vehicle sitting in my driveway since April! I’m a working slob just like most of you guy’s on this forum, that’s why I’m wrenching on early 90’s technology in my driveway instead of cuzing a nice shiny DMAX, or 6.7 Cummins/6.7 Scorpion.

Anyway, that about all the energy I have for bitching today.
I’ll check in tomorrow.

Chris

Haha i have a duramax and i still wrench on 6.5s more often then most guys on this fourm. Not becaues i half to i do it for the challange! more of a hobby of mine, it shure is fun beating my buddys vortec 5.3s and hemi's with my old 6.5

 

[94DieselSub]

Hi DZZ71,

Wow you own a DMAX yet choose to wrench on 6.5’s for fun, you are a sick little monkey aren’t you! You’re definitely a diesel hot rodder, both your 95’s sound really cool!

Actually I do understand your logic, the 6.5 engine is stone simple, even the Injection & Vac control sys is rather rudimentary compared to these technological smog complying common rail wonders the OEM are pumping out nowadays!

We had a 08 6.4 F250 at the shop, and now have 2011 6.7 Scorpion F350. These engines sit half under the firewall and are packaged so tight if you dropped a quarter over the engine I doubt it would ever reach the floor. It’s almost like the drivetrain dev engineers used CAD to package it like a rubrik’s cube. Awesome to drive/tow with, but any serious wrenching on them would suck big time! That’s why the tuners pull the cab off a lot of the time now!

BTW, and I’m sure you’ve answered this a million time already, what did you do for the drivers side manifold for turbo #2?

Chris

 

[96Sub1500]

If I were a Mod, I'd delete most of your post.

So if you were a mod, you would delete most of my post which is simply what the Seller is offering to sell to the Buyer for a agreed upon price? This thread is about what was the OP supposed to receive for his payment.

The engines should be sold as $300 cores, nothing more. This is my opinion.

Nice opinion. Don't buy one of there engines then. That's how America works. But it also works by the expectation that each party mutually agrees to a transaction with known terms. Ted's specifically states that they don't sell junk motors like other Ebay sellers. So if the OP did not receive that, then the contractual terms were not upheld.

I'm not saying who is at fault but what the terms were in the transaction. We are only hearing one side of the story here. Ted's may have a different point of view. If you just want to tell everyone they are mistanken for buying a used motor, then I'm not sure you are adding anything to this thread.

 

[3500GMC]

Hey look, I don't like to see anybody get ripped off that's all...

All you added to this thread was 'their' AD of bogus claims. I don't believe for a minute that all of these engines are tested as claimed, period. IF so, nobody would feel inclined join a forum and start a thread to warn folks- ON MORE THAN ONE OCCASION.

I'm just of the mind that I'd rather support a local economy, and maybe help keep a machine shop open. They're the ones that provide a REAL service.

As for your post #21, it's like you're posting up free advertizing for a company... It strikes me odd that you'd bite on this AD, Hook, Line and Sinker...

Overout.

 

[WarWagon]

Only reason to go for a used 6.2, 6.5 engine is they are sold at 1/2 or less the price of a rebuilt or new engine. Some of us stuck in the 6.5 era have a rather limited budget as I did when I picked up my 1st surplus 6.2. I looked at everything including a local engine left in the rain and the intake was full of rain water.

With a new Powermaster starter and ARP head studs I was back on the road for $2000. I am a satisfied used surplus military engine user.

The only expectation I have for a used engine is that it will run without major problems when installed. From the 2 engines I have received from Boyce equipment I have 100% confidence that they are test run to eliminate bad engines. They also give you a short warranty. Something Teds appears to do when confronted with serious problems only.

I can't tell you how much of a relief it is to drop in an engine and have it run without 'major' problems. This made the asking price of $950+ shipping worth it for a 1986 6.2 engine.

JiFaire,
Ted's doesn't need to come on here and "defend" themselves. They should ship out tested engines as they say they do. Then there would not be this thread and a need for them to defend themselves from a frustrated member. Otherwise they appear to be no better than eBay or going to the gov't auction yourself. The OP appears to be genuine and has the pictures to back it up.

 

[CtChevy427]

Chris, the above picture you say are "post cleanup" you do nice work.....:hihi: Do you have any that you took before you cleaned it up? Also do you have any of the bad cam?

 

[94DieselSub]

Hi CtChevy427,

Yes I do, although the close ups pics of the cyl-wall damage are to big to upload to this forum, had to resize 'em smaller. Unfortunately even in these pics the large patches of erosion in the cylinders were cleaned up with WD-40 & Scotchbrite. I don’t like making warranty claims unless I know there is something significantly wrong, so I had to clean these to determine the extent of the damage.

 

[btfarm]

As to the cam damage, I think that's something you have to live with on a take-out. And no, you don't have to like it. Looks like oil starve led to severe galling there.