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Another fan clutch option, ElectroMag type.

FellowTraveler said:
This clutch will lend itself to running higher temp stats & EVANS coolant then adjusting the fan clutch engagement to suit running temps.

EVANS had done tests and found that running higher temps in diesels equate a 2.04 to 4.04 increase in mpgs on big rigs while the coolant alone made no difference.

Engine oil (dino) temps must be kept under 250 deg f however pure synthetic will allow that number to be raised w/o breaking down under thermal load.

EVANS 205 deg f stat part # E3020
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Currently, I can get diesel for $1.79 a gallon here in CA. Not so worried about mileage.
 
Normally when a jump in production occurs, Saudi lowers their production volume to keep the price high. This time they have simply decided not to. If they did it it is only going to help the US, UK, and Iran as they re-enter the market. King Salman is the one that convinced now dead King Abdullah to start this,Mao no way Salman will let up easy.

Saudi can ride this for a long time. In the US, production costs averages $36 (per barrel) while Saudi it $10. It isn't that Saudi dramatically increased production, it's that in the US we've had the largest increase of production in history, adding 1 million barrels a day. U.K., Russia, and others are already loosing $ on every barrel they make at over $50 per production costs.

We see the effects here as desired by Salman, slowing our production to about half that increase is down. Other OPEC countries in sand land are dying right now from it and begging Salman to slow production, but can't do anything about it.

A bunch of "experts" say Saudi will loose too much $ if this went on until 2020. I disagree. If they stop production in 75% of countries whose cost is over $50 per b, the cost of restarting up will be to great for them to do it quickly.

If there are 25 companies making widgets, but only 5 make them for $10-$15 range, who can sell them for $25? Not US,Canada,Russia,U.K., etc.

Then 1 more thing to consider- if we get SO MAD we pressure politicians to make changes, they fear not getting re elected. How rough does it have to get for KING Salman, controller of Mecca? If he decides to impose a tax for foreigners to visit Mecca, could be generate more wealth for his nation? He's sweating nothing.
 
Will L. said:
Normally when a jump in production occurs, Saudi lowers their production volume to keep the price high. This time they have simply decided not to. If they did it it is only going to help the US, UK, and Iran as they re-enter the market. King Salman is the one that convinced now dead King Abdullah to start this,Mao no way Salman will let up easy.

Saudi can ride this for a long time. In the US, production costs averages $36 (per barrel) while Saudi it $10. It isn't that Saudi dramatically increased production, it's that in the US we've had the largest increase of production in history, adding 1 million barrels a day. U.K., Russia, and others are already loosing $ on every barrel they make at over $50 per production costs.

We see the effects here as desired by Salman, slowing our production to about half that increase is down. Other OPEC countries in sand land are dying right now from it and begging Salman to slow production, but can't do anything about it.

A bunch of "experts" say Saudi will loose too much $ if this went on until 2020. I disagree. If they stop production in 75% of countries whose cost is over $50 per b, the cost of restarting up will be to great for them to do it quickly.

If there are 25 companies making widgets, but only 5 make them for $10-$15 range, who can sell them for $25? Not US,Canada,Russia,U.K., etc.

Then 1 more thing to consider- if we get SO MAD we pressure politicians to make changes, they fear not getting re elected. How rough does it have to get for KING Salman, controller of Mecca? If he decides to impose a tax for foreigners to visit Mecca, could be generate more wealth for his nation? He's sweating nothing.
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Actually, this whole scenario falls under Cartel Economics and Commodities Markets.

Cartel, association of independent firms or individuals for the purpose of exerting some form of restrictive or monopolistic influence on the production or sale of a commodity. The most common arrangements are aimed at regulating prices or output or dividing up markets. Members of a cartel maintain their separate identities and financial independence while engaging in common policies. They have a common interest in exploiting the monopoly position that the combination helps to maintain.

Cartels result in a price to the consumer higher than the competitive price. Cartels may also sustain inefficient firms in an industry and prevent the adoption of cost-saving technological advances that would result in lower prices. Though a cartel tends to establish price stability as long as it lasts, it does not typically last long. The reasons are twofold. First, whereas each member of the cartel would like the other members to keep the agreement, each member is also motivated to break the agreement, usually by cutting its price a little below the cartel’s price or by selling a much higher output. Second, even in the unlikely case that the cartel members hold to their agreement, price-cutting by new entrants or by existing firms that are not part of the cartel will undermine the cartel.

Here's the evidence that they've all been cheating on the output levels:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/opec-...vbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

So higher prices attracted competition, but at higher extraction prices. At the same time, OPEC members have been cheating on their agreed production levels in an amount roughly equal to the current daily production surplus estimated at 1.5 million barrels per day (bpd) versus the current daily demand. Yes the increases in U.S. production have also contributed to the surplus and that production is largely coming from Shale or "Tight" oil, which has significantly higher extraction cost than Saudi oil where they simply stick a straw in the ground.

Current daily oil production worldwide totals about 92 million bpd. OPEC accounts for about 30 million bpd, with the Saudis accounting for 10.5 bpd. The US hit a high production level of 9.7 million bpd in 2015. Current estimated daily oversupply ranges from 1 to 2 million bpd. Based on the drop in the US rig count, they're estimating that US production will fall 600K bpd in 2016 and a further 200K bpd in 2017. So the Saudi/Opec squeeze is having the desired effect on US oil production. However, they're estimating that Iran, now free of sanctions, will bring on board 7 million bpd of daily production. Meanwhile, there's an estimated 3K to 4K of drilled, but not finished, shale wells in the U.S. Those are ready and waiting to come on line when oil prices justify finishing the wells.

So the Saudis and OPEC are playing a fool's game themselves thinking they can protect market share. Do the math. OPEC produces 30 million bpd and they can sell it at $30 per, that's $900 million per day. If they produced 28.5 million bps and could sell it for $70 per, that's almost $2 billion per day for just decreasing production by 5%. How long you think they continue that fool's game. Furthermore, the Shale oil will serve to keep a cap on oil prices because once the price gets back to the $60 to $70 range, all those drilled but not finished Shale wells will start coming back on line.

In summary, this is just a short term thing. The lower the price goes, the greater the next oil price shock, but that won't last as long either because there's now a physical cap on how high prices can go. Bottom line, oil will range in the $20 to $80 range for at least the next 10 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oil-bp-idUSKCN0VX1GK
 
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The problem is Saudi is separating itself from what opec wants. Saudi is the #1 producer in the world, 13-15%. That's current numbers, not what they can or have produced in the past. If they choose to do 30%, it's just a choice. If Saudi cuts, your right - appreciate as a WHOLE makes more, but Saudi only makes a couple million a day more. They are not going bankrupt. They are making boatloads of profit, they could just have more icing on their cake. But the other open countries in opec like Venezuela will make or break- not Saudi.

Look back to when opec announced increase of production, then King Abdullah said he was cutting. All the experts said he would stop in a month because of lost revenue- yet here we are. Abdullah announced prices would fall before they did at each $10 interval. His replacement has continued to announce what he would do. They both have done it.

Is it appropriate for a moderator to cut this part into a different thread? We (mostly I)high jacked this pretty bad. Sorry Leroy.

Fuel savings is only 1 advantage of electromag fan clutch. More free power on the interstate would be nice too. And you guys towing-or me normal(haha) starting up a decent hill- kick the fan on early before heat can start up would be nice.Then for some of us that put water level into the fan when in the boonies. Am I the only one here doing that?

Any eta on production Leroy? I realize pricing can't be figured out if there is still changes to make.
 
Will L. said:
. . . Then for some of us that put water level into the fan when in the boonies. Am I the only one here doing that?
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Yeah, you are probably one of the few. :)


Will L. said:
Is it appropriate for a moderator to cut this part into a different thread? We (mostly I)high jacked this pretty bad. Sorry Leroy.
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Nah, lets goober-it-up some more. How 'bout 'dem Dallas Cowboys! :D
 
I'll be back at the machine shop tomorrow and try to get some solid answers.
I have the prototype witch works great.
Patience grasshopper.
 
IDK why I'm anxious, it's going to be a while before I can do anything to my truck. Guess if I can't actually work on it I want to plan it out more.

Ps Cowboys are over paid
 
Getting much closer. Doing final testing now.

Will have both 4 bolt and spin on fan clutch available. Also I can put the gasser bolt pattern on it for those SBC & BBC.
Later I'll machine them with a dual bolt pattern.
 
Well, Will, with a fording kit and the electric fan clutch you could have a front-mounted prop and an amphibious Humvee! I remember fondly swimming our Gamma Goats and 113's back in my Mech Infantry enlisted days of 79-81!
 
There is something fun about putting water over the front of you hood and pushing the wave along.

Something I'm thinking about with the different options of fanclutches. I keep seeing deals on the hmmwv set up, but can't pull the trigger.
 
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