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6.2... no compression #7

it may even be cheaper just to buy a military take out for what i want... some guy in AL has them for $1500 and have all been compression tested and ready to go... none are rebuilt and all have less then 50,000 miles... may be cheaper to go though rout...
 
Double check with him, a lot of the mil take outs are optimizers identifiable by the international "running road" logo I the back of the valley. Those are the prefered blocks, crank, cam and heads. Get one of those, new rings, headgaskets, and arp head studs and your ready for a more abuseable run. Only better engine is the p400.
 
ya but if im gonna do rings and all that then i may as well do my 599 block 6.5... or rebuilt this one... i know the optimizer is "better" but for just a normal truck i dont see why another 100k isnt achievable from what i have... its just costs... it may be cheaper to just buy one of those and bolt it in and be done...
 
These are not gas Jeep engines. The diesels use compression and need it to run. A gas engine just needs a spark to run. So an extremely 'hurt/worn' gas engine can still run and burn lots of oil.The blowby you are seeing means the rings are done or if puffing is a cracked piston. Anything over 210 ECT and you risk cracks on the block and heads. Rings ruin fast with high ECT over 210. On a really overheated diesel engine you can take the rings out and tie them in a knot - no temper left in them.

How did the rest of the compression test come out?

Rear main leaking will ruin the clutch.

Military surplus engines usually need a deglaze you can do with a cordless drill and new rings. Compression tested whatever - they still benefit from new rings esp the expensive gapless rings. You may as well do it while the engine is out and then you get maximum power and MPG out of the engine. Gapless will keep the oil cleaner longer and pay for itself if you extend the oil change intervals with UOA. I can still read the markings on the dipstick through the oil on mine with gapless rings - with normal rings it's soot black in 30 seconds.
 
10-4... all the compressions check at around 300... but thats also after turning over several times... i think most people say 6 rotations on a warm motor... i couldnt do mine warm but it took more like 12 rotations to get up to that compression... then i bled the line and did it again and it was better... like 315 or so but still at about 12 rotations... i think its done... i think the PO killed it with starting fluid and the rings are just shot all around... white smoke from both tailpipes at start up which goes away once warm but could be a number of things... probly rings as well...

If im gonna buy a military take out and swap it in and do rings and all that then i may as well do that to this motor... long as the blocks clean and heads are good... it wouldnt cost me $1500 to have all the machine work done so no point in a military take out vs. this to me... the costs just dont render what its worth... in that prospective anyways...

I may have the truck maybe 2 more years max so if i can get that from a stock military take out then im good with that... its not a daily driver so wouldnt see any miles... just down the road to the dumb and towing my crawler in the south east... which wouldnt be very often...

i wish i could compression check my 6.5 easily thats on the ground... so i could just bolt it in and be done with just a few gasket changes... came from a "running and driving truck" but i never heard it... lol... i think im gonna buy a pressure leak down kit and give that a shot and and see how it fairs... then i can build this 6.2 for the crawler however i want and take as much time as i want...
 
Why can't you check your 6.5? Make a wooden stand to support it, bolt on the flex plate and starter and perform a compression test.

I wouldn't rering a military engine, many just throw them in and run perfectly.

300 psi on all cylinders shouldn't cause #7 to miss. Its a bit low but its not warm so it will read a bit lower. If its not burning oil, leave it alone and fine the reason for the miss, and at this point, looks like a fuel issue.
 
Why can't you check your 6.5? Make a wooden stand to support it, bolt on the flex plate and starter and perform a compression test.

I wouldn't rering a military engine, many just throw them in and run perfectly.

Sure they do and with more blowby than new rings. It is easier to re-ring the engine before you put them in and standard rings are stupid cheap. I have regretted not doing rings in the surplus engines I dropped in due to blowby. Both had moisture damage to a cyl or two from sitting unused so long. Cleaned up with a light pass, but, not with 30K of running put on the engine. The 2nd ring didn't even seat on one rebuilt but used surplus 6.2 I got.

300 psi on all cylinders shouldn't cause #7 to miss. Its a bit low but its not warm so it will read a bit lower. If its not burning oil, leave it alone and fine the reason for the miss, and at this point, looks like a fuel issue.

I agree swapping the engine isn't going to fix the issue and likely isn't needed. It may reduce the blowby or increase it depending on the shape of the other engine.

White smoke on startup is a good indication of cold advance not working possibly combined with some non-working glowplugs. (It could also be timing, air in fuel, etc.)
There are two wires on the injection pump. The pink one is to keep the engine running with 12v on it. The other wire should be shared with a high idle solenoid.
Turn the ignition on but do not start the engine when stone cold. Check for 12v at the pink wire to make sure your voltmeter is working. Then check for 12v at the other injection pump connector. If you don't have 12v on it with a stone cold engine than the cold advance switch is bad or you have other issues related to it like wiring.

To set the high idle you do have to depress the throttle before starting the engine with the key on. Some people don't know this. :)

If you do have 12v you may have timing problems from a stretched timing chain and may need to advance the pump - best left to a "good" diesel shop. You may have a locked up advance piston in the injection pump. You can test this with a running engine by depressing the retard lever on the passenger side of the pump - the engine should darn near stall when the bottom of the lever is pressed in.

Air in fuel especially after sitting overnight. The GM manual really starts with "check for and eliminate any air getting into the fuel system".
Put a clear return line off the Injection pump to the fuel return rail. Look for air bubbles when running. On first startup have a friend crank the engine and watch for a bunch of air coming out. You are trying to figure out if:
1) you have a throttle shaft seal leak on the IP - common. Bunch of air after startup.
2) you have any suction leaks letting air in. Fuel filter assembly, fuel pump, fittings, fuel lines, tank pickup assembly... Constant air bubbles in fuel return line.
3) sticking injectors can let 'compression air' in resulting in the engine hitting, throwing the starter drive out, and then stalling. You really don't see this air in the system from the clear lines.
4) Restriction in fuel lines - but that would stall you out hot with vapor lock, yes, you can vapor lock a diesel.

A quick and dirty trick to see what cylinders are firing after a cold start is to use a IR temp gun on the exhaust manifold and look for a cold cylinder.

You can look for a Stanadyne dealer and ask them if they know a "Damn Good 6.2 diesel shop." This could assist with: diagnosis, timing, repairs. (After your compression test the shop that you took it to sadly doesn't know what they are doing on a 6.2. Sorry.)
 
I agree swapping the engine isn't going to fix the issue and likely isn't needed. It may reduce the blowby or increase it depending on the shape of the other engine.

White smoke on startup is a good indication of cold advance not working possibly combined with some non-working glowplugs. (It could also be timing, air in fuel, etc.)
There are two wires on the injection pump. The pink one is to keep the engine running with 12v on it. The other wire should be shared with a high idle solenoid.
Turn the ignition on but do not start the engine when stone cold. Check for 12v at the pink wire to make sure your voltmeter is working. Then check for 12v at the other injection pump connector. If you don't have 12v on it with a stone cold engine than the cold advance switch is bad or you have other issues related to it like wiring.

To set the high idle you do have to depress the throttle before starting the engine with the key on. Some people don't know this. :)

If you do have 12v you may have timing problems from a stretched timing chain and may need to advance the pump - best left to a "good" diesel shop. You may have a locked up advance piston in the injection pump. You can test this with a running engine by depressing the retard lever on the passenger side of the pump - the engine should darn near stall when the bottom of the lever is pressed in.

Air in fuel especially after sitting overnight. The GM manual really starts with "check for and eliminate any air getting into the fuel system".
Put a clear return line off the Injection pump to the fuel return rail. Look for air bubbles when running. On first startup have a friend crank the engine and watch for a bunch of air coming out. You are trying to figure out if:
1) you have a throttle shaft seal leak on the IP - common. Bunch of air after startup.
2) you have any suction leaks letting air in. Fuel filter assembly, fuel pump, fittings, fuel lines, tank pickup assembly... Constant air bubbles in fuel return line.
3) sticking injectors can let 'compression air' in resulting in the engine hitting, throwing the starter drive out, and then stalling. You really don't see this air in the system from the clear lines.
4) Restriction in fuel lines - but that would stall you out hot with vapor lock, yes, you can vapor lock a diesel.

A quick and dirty trick to see what cylinders are firing after a cold start is to use a IR temp gun on the exhaust manifold and look for a cold cylinder.

You can look for a Stanadyne dealer and ask them if they know a "Damn Good 6.2 diesel shop." This could assist with: diagnosis, timing, repairs. (After your compression test the shop that you took it to sadly doesn't know what they are doing on a 6.2. Sorry.)


ive done this all for the most part... 12v is good at pink wire... ive converted my mechanical pump to electric with a recommended 6.5 mechanical part number pump from this site...

Clear lines been on it and no air at all... running or anything... also fuel stays in the line with no air for weeks at a time without running...

high idol kicks on at start and cuts rpm's down a few minutes later after motors warm...



the check you mentioned for the stretched chain i have not done or read about yet... ill see what happens and get back with ya...

The "what cylinders firing" trick ive done before on my cummins... the PO of this truck said he did this and they were all very close so he replaced one injector (autozone brand probably) that was the lowest temp... i didnt take this for much though since he seemed lost about everything he was saying to me anyways...

Im going to be my own 6.2 shop... ive worked on F18 jet engines to UAV's to a tech at Nissan... im not lost working on vehicles... the 6.2 is a different beast to learn so i will learn it and the little tricks you all already know when troubleshooting common issues and not so common issues... ive had 2 cummins myself and R&R injector pumps on both... among other things... not scared to time mine if it needs it after reading some write ups and watching some youtube... i am sketchy on engine internals when it comes to figuring out the technical data though...

What i would like to find is someone like some of yall thats local... so they can just point and explain while i work... lol...
 
ive done this all for the most part... 12v is good at pink wire... ive converted my mechanical pump to electric with a recommended 6.5 mechanical part number pump from this site...

Clear lines been on it and no air at all... running or anything... also fuel stays in the line with no air for weeks at a time without running...

high idol kicks on at start and cuts rpm's down a few minutes later after motors warm...

the check you mentioned for the stretched chain i have not done or read about yet... ill see what happens and get back with ya...

The "what cylinders firing" trick ive done before on my cummins... the PO of this truck said he did this and they were all very close so he replaced one injector (autozone brand probably) that was the lowest temp... i didnt take this for much though since he seemed lost about everything he was saying to me anyways...

Im going to be my own 6.2 shop... ive worked on F18 jet engines to UAV's to a tech at Nissan... im not lost working on vehicles... the 6.2 is a different beast to learn so i will learn it and the little tricks you all already know when troubleshooting common issues and not so common issues... ive had 2 cummins myself and R&R injector pumps on both... among other things... not scared to time mine if it needs it after reading some write ups and watching some youtube... i am sketchy on engine internals when it comes to figuring out the technical data though...

What i would like to find is someone like some of yall thats local... so they can just point and explain while i work... lol...

Can you do a video of the engine starting up and then one of the oil fill cap off while running?

Test cold advance on IP. Hit it with 12v and the engine sound should change.
Timing info:
http://www.oliverdiesel.com/tech/timing.htm

The timing chain stretches out in about 30K miles and then lives a long sloppy life. Spec is like 0.8" deflection. Change it and in 30K miles or less it goes from guitar string tight to sloppy. Generally we just advance the pump and ignore the chain slop.

Blowby info. Although I have had 6.5's that have on fire blowby start and run ok it was near spinning a bearing.

http://heathdiesel.com/news/technical/engine-condition.html
 
Can you do a video of the engine starting up and then one of the oil fill cap off while running?

Test cold advance on IP. Hit it with 12v and the engine sound should change.
Timing info:
http://www.oliverdiesel.com/tech/timing.htm

The timing chain stretches out in about 30K miles and then lives a long sloppy life. Spec is like 0.8" deflection. Change it and in 30K miles or less it goes from guitar string tight to sloppy. Generally we just advance the pump and ignore the chain slop.

Blowby info. Although I have had 6.5's that have on fire blowby start and run ok it was near spinning a bearing.

http://heathdiesel.com/news/technical/engine-condition.html

10-4 will do this weekend and post back results...

Where are you at?

GA... about an hour south of Atl...
 
they are uploading now... i took 3 videos and really several short videos in each... should be a lot of help and answers... they just take forever to load lol...
 
welp one finally loaded... two more to go... lol...

in this one i took the oil cap off and had nothing... later on i still had nothing... im not sure why the other day i did... and no i dont... also have no more oil leak (yes still have oil lol)... guess it just didnt like me pulling at that injector our and messing around with things...

[video=youtube;svoUNbwySwo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svoUNbwySwo[/video]
 
Those are some impressive videos. Seriously worthy of the technical reference how too section.

There isn't anything wrong with that engine.

Blowby changes from cold to hot engines - check it both ways. All I can think of that would be different unless the CDR stuck closed or a hose to it was pinched. (Gold tuna can, CDR, Crankcase Depression Regulator, goes by hose to the oil fill.)

I would double check the crankshaft vibration damper from the background noise.

I assume a hot engine for the retard lever test? Possible you have a worn or sticking advance piston in the pump esp. after the timing retard test smokes so much afterwards. Injectors combine to amplify problems in the pump where worn injectors are worse. Light load going down a hill can bring on white smoke. Generally the amount of white smoke you have, I assume it smells like diesel, is an issue if the last video was on a hot engine. Otherwise you put the fire out (precups too cold to light the fuel) on a cold engine.

I do not know what engines had the EPR, exhaust pressure regulator on the driver's side. It makes a difference by warming up the intake with EGR cross flow - at least it did in our 1988 1/2t.

With working glow plugs I would suspect pissing/sticking injectors then look at the IP. Especially with the long crank time. Do you have 100 engine RPM minimum when cranking cold and 150 hot?
 
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