Wife said get the new injectors!!!!!

[great white]

Duraterm's on the way....:thumbsup:

P/N 80034, 90 bucks shipped for 8.....

 

[handcannon]

Most shops will pop test them cheap or free. It's reshimming them if needed that gets spendy.

Hearing that all 8 of the India Bosch units came in at 2200 sure makes that deal tempting. Any idea what the spread (+/-) was on those, Don?

Sorry, I don't know what the spread was. I was opening the packages and setting the injectors out for the tech and he was going through the testing fast enough that I did not have enough time to get an accurate read on the dial. The dial was also in BAR, not PSI, and I'm not familiar with the BAR scale and how it converts to PSI. I did see the gauge dial. The gauge was not liquid dampened so the needle was bouncing around, but it was always in the same range on the dial. The tech would put the injector in, pump it up until it popped, keep pumping it a bit to keep it popping for a few seconds, I'd get a glance at the dial, and then he would have it out and be waiting for the next injector. I felt like I was handling a greased watermelon trying to keep up with him.

I wonder if somebody might have a scale somewhere that would have BAR and PSI together kind of like the speedometers that have both MPH and KPH on them. It is still fresh enough in my mind that I'd like to see how my personal "video" would fit onto a gauge with a needle that sets still long enough for me to get a good reading. If there is no scale like that, maybe somebody could tell me how 15 BAR translates into PSI.

Don

 

[Turbine Doc]

Give this a shot http://www.onlineconversion.com/pressure.htm

Bar is basically 1 atmosphere so 1 bar more or less is 14.7 psia or from the converter above 1 bar = 14.503 773801 pound/square inch

I hope that was a misread @ 15 bar = 217.55660701 pound/square inch (LOW),

I suspect/hope with new/remanned injectiors it was more like150 bar = 2175.5660701 pound/square inch (Normal new) per converter above

 

[matuva]

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Don't forget to buy an injector install kit : fuel lines + end plugs and nipples, copper rings. One is here : Hot link to Accurate Diesel ebay store pulled we have paid vendors here that sell those kits

correct, sorry about that

 

[buddy]

Not all new injectors come in a good pop range. Thats why rebuilding them can be better. Getting BOSCH GERMANY marine nozzles for $110 would be an awesome deal. I got some off ebay for about that price, as soon as I stop being lazy the rebuilt injectors are going in. Rock Auto sells just the standard Bosch nozzles for about same price.

Also, when you have injectors rebuilt you can specify a higher pop pressure, so instead of the standard which is supposed to be 2075psi, you can get 2200 or 2250 or whatever. When using a program that can output 30-50% more fuel could use some more atomization, plus they drop in pop over time.

 

[great white]

Meh, I'm happy with the stock injectors.

I'll have 'em pop tested for peace of mind and adjusted if necessary.

All in for 260 bucks to my door for NOS Bosch originals and I'm happy.

For 110 I would have been even happier, but can't wait to see if it comes through and I'm not looking for marine injectors....

 

[Turbine Doc]

From what I hear Tim over at Accurate is good guy to source them from.

That said one has to use caution when buying from the ebay sellers, some use Bosch bodies with non Bosch nozzles and claim they are Bosch, they will even pop good when tested at new install, but may erode quickly once put into service.

I bought some "good deal" ebay injectors for the VW TDI once, they lasted 6 months, caveat emptor rules apply here folks know from whom you are buying them from, get references from others. Pensacola Fuel once a premier source for good injection parts has succumbed to lure of easy money and is now selling less than quality injectors.

Are the savings passed to the consumer due to lowered overhead/labor passed as a discount, or because components used in the remanned injector are inferior? Is your engine worth a few less $$$ paid vs damage that could happen ???

 

[Turbine Doc]

For discussions of h/o vs stock I dare say that 99% of the 6.5 population would be just as well served with a fresh set of stock injectors, without a PCM or chip that asks for extra fuel from the IP you will not realize advertised gains promoted by the retailers that push the sale of h/o injectors.

H/o injectors are at the bottom rung of the bang for buck mod ladder for building a strong & healthy 6.5, I did it other way around when re-flashed PCM programs were in their infancy, h/o injectors did not "come alive" until I added a quality re-flash.

 

[Steve93mustanglx]

I can vouch for Tim @ Accurate personally. I bought a set of his 8 rebuilds. 2 were bad so I took pics and emailed Tim- who is VERY quick with emails, btw. He had me send them back and he sent 2 more. Sure enough he checked them, they were bad, and he was stand-up enough to make it right. He couldn't remember ever having 2 bad in a set (thats a perfect example of my life, actually). Suffice it to say I will buy from him again.

And Tim (the moderator) is correct... My new injectors didnt do didley performance wise until I got my KOJO chip and FTB done. That baby sure scoots and purrs now.

Rebuilds for me.

 

[handcannon]

Give this a shot http://www.onlineconversion.com/pressure.htm

Bar is basically 1 atmosphere so 1 bar more or less is 14.7 psia or from the converter above 1 bar = 14.503 773801 pound/square inch

I hope that was a misread @ 15 bar = 217.55660701 pound/square inch (LOW),

I suspect/hope with new/remanned injectiors it was more like150 bar = 2175.5660701 pound/square inch (Normal new) per converter above

TD--- thanks for the conversion site. Now I've got a new play toy. I'm so new to diesels that I feel like a dry sponge.

On that 15 BAR, it was a number I just pulled out of thin air to see if I could get some kind of starting point for comparison. I'm very much a visual person. I'm a cabinet maker and very used to "building" things in my head, so I needed a starting point for reference. It could be that the 15 portion of 150 on the tech's gauge stuck in my head. Anyhow, knowing now that 150 BAR is equal to 2175 PSI gives me a real world starting point.

In one of your posts, following the post I have quoted, you bring up the possibility that these could be remanned and repackaged injectors. That is always a possibility.

Now to give you more info on these e-bay injectors. I don't remember at the moment what forum I was on when I found out about them. After this particular thread started I kept track of what was being posted. One of the purchasers, who was posting about the injectors, found out how many the seller (person A) had for sale. Then someone posted that he (person B) knew where the injectors came from. "B" was bidding on some gov't surpluss injectors and was outbid by somebody else. The quantities and brand descriptions that "B" was bidding on was identical to what "A" was selling. I know this is not certain, but enough facts coincided to make several posters feel that "A" was the one who outbid "B" on the surplus injectors. It is possible that "B" was with "A" on pushing remanned/repacked injectors, but to my knowledge "A" had no idea about this thread. Several posts gave info on pop testing results identical to mine. And some who had not pop tested but installed with excellent results. Anyhow, the point of all this rambling is that I feel certain that these particular injectors are the gov't surpluss ones. I tend to look at items for sale, that are not in my hand, with a jaundiced eye so I am taking a chance that I could still lose on this deal.

Don

 

[buddy]

A quick visual on a gauge cant always be that great, since your looking for them to be no more than about 3 bar difference from least to highest pop. Not sure the guy was paying that close attention based on the quickness, or he was that good. Most people probably dont have as much detail to attention as we would like, which is why a good rebuilder is nice to find.

 

[great white]

...In one of your posts, following the post I have quoted, you bring up the possibility that these could be remanned and repackaged injectors. That is always a possibility.

Now to give you more info on these e-bay injectors. I don't remember at the moment what forum I was on when I found out about them. After this particular thread started I kept track of what was being posted. One of the purchasers, who was posting about the injectors, found out how many the seller (person A) had for sale. Then someone posted that he (person B) knew where the injectors came from. "B" was bidding on some gov't surpluss injectors and was outbid by somebody else. The quantities and brand descriptions that "B" was bidding on was identical to what "A" was selling. I know this is not certain, but enough facts coincided to make several posters feel that "A" was the one who outbid "B" on the surplus injectors. It is possible that "B" was with "A" on pushing remanned/repacked injectors, but to my knowledge "A" had no idea about this thread. Several posts gave info on pop testing results identical to mine. And some who had not pop tested but installed with excellent results. Anyhow, the point of all this rambling is that I feel certain that these particular injectors are the gov't surpluss ones. I tend to look at items for sale, that are not in my hand, with a jaundiced eye so I am taking a chance that I could still lose on this deal.

Don