Big T
Well-Known Member
Yeah WarWagon is right. They covered all this stuff when I went through training classes Bendix for working on big rigs many moons ago.
Warping the rotors- it's just uneven heating or cooling of the entire surface. Think about how you would do it if you were trying to. Get it hot then allow one side to cool down while trapping heat on the other.
Either after hard stopping letting the brake pads & caliper cover one area while the other is exposed to air can cause it. Picture glowing hot red formula 1 rotors- now cover 20% of that area with those nice Brembos and wait 1 minute. Now take a temp reading of the part exposed to the air, then he part under the brake pads. You'll have a big temperature difference.
So can having them hot (just below Leidenfrost point) and a nice blast of water from a puddle. The metal gaurd next to the rotor isn't just there to stop a rock chip, it's to shield it from a water deluge and trying to allow an even cooling around the rotor. A single uneven tempering will harden one area by pulling the carbon in the metal to that area. Now that high carbon count area is going to cool slightly slower than the rest. It isn't going to happen in 1 minute, this process takes longer to effect it.
Bigger & thicker rotors fight it by forcing having more material to heat up, and releasing the heat at a lower rate. Drilled,slotted, or combo rotors try the opposite of dumping all the heat as fast as possible so by the time your sitting in traffic or parking the vehicle the heat has already been dispersed.
Sometimes you just have poor design or material that no matter how well you treat it, your conditions kill rotors. GM trucks use a really high carbon steel so that most normal applications have little problems. The trade off is heavy towing, loaded mountain driving, or heavy traffic braking suffers. Since these groups fall to the minority it a better economic choice for GM.
On the Honda idk what their design fall is. They have always been later to market with newest technology trying to avoid problems like this. For as innovative as they are in racing, they're very conservative in production. All the (brand loyal) Honda techs I know really get aggravated by the Audi guys bringing this up.
Had my wonderful experiences with Mercedes which touts its cars as industry leading technology. Basically if you want to show off that you've got a Mercedes, you're better off leasing them and make it a short lease term because the repair costs of the later years will eat you alive. I'd include Audi and BMW in that same category. At least with Honda, the repairs are few and they're cheap when they do occur. Honda is a car you buy.