Update ! on the 6.5er. . .

[Turbine Doc]

I don't much care what its pumping out my Bloody turbo, as long as its no longer pumping it into my air filter then i have fixed the my problem.

The oil consumption has reduced or stopped all together so far so that issue is also fixed.

As for putting a 90 year old on steriods LOL n killing it faster Oh well. . .healthy or sick i am still going to do what i do.

Its not like i am going to rebuild it, So if it splits the crank case wide open. . .oh well. . .I get a new Rig simply put !

This thread wasn't intended for 3 pages of trouble shooting it was just an update stating that i had Fixed the issue from the "OLD 6.5 STRIKES AGAIN" thread and a couple of the mods i did at the same time as well, along with a list a Mods to come.
I am going to do what i have to get it to do what i need it to do if that shorten's its life span or kills it off all together then thats the way the Cookie crumbles i guess. . .

As for the New air filter n New breather they are what they are . . .

Mike

Granted you did not ask for a disscussion or trouble shooting for what is happening with your oil consumption, nor did you lead off with "yes guys I know my engine is consuming oil please don't comment on it"; I would suggest however if you did not want feedback then you might not want to post in a forum that encourages bi-directional exchange of ideas.

Folks (myself included) were expressing their concerns for well being for what you propose as food for thought, but actually when you get down to it we don't really care about your bloody turbo either, since in past you have taken extreme exception to suggestions offered by members in past here.

So with that said; do what you will with your engine, you came here earlier in the year dissin the 6.5, well it is your engine as you are inferring and apparently you don't really care what we have to offer on the matter, so be it.

But do not come here later with a tale of woe how badly your 6.5 treated you/let you down, & when it does decide to finally die on you, you were an active participant in it's demise.

You reported oil consumption, several of us feel you are "band-aiding" it masking the symptoms running thick oil, altering the correct scavenging of the crankcase on a mature engine.

For the other stuff you are thinking of doing, do not waste your money, from what you are reporting of current mechanical condition, this particular engine is not a good candidate for modification for more power.

Those of us who run highly modded high power engines are doing it without excessive oil consumption, or running 60 weight oil, or bypassing the CDR system, if you are having to do any of that to keep your oil consumption down, BEFORE ADDING ANY FURTHER MODS, you had better find out WHAT IS WRONG with this engine.

If you spend money for mods as you plan you'll be disappointed, what you propose will only hasten your engines demise, if you don't want to overhaul it, (if that is what it needs) why would you spend more $$$ into performance adders, that will only be trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

I'm done with this one, recommendations made; your choice to listen to advise or not, fellow 6.5ers, my advise is to let Mike do his own thing and then let us know when it craps out for good.

 

[buddy]

Sounds like original oil consumption was just caused by stuck open CDR, so engine doesnt sound like its in bad shape at all, especially if there is not much or any vapor coming out of oil fill tube when its warm.

 

[JiFaire]

Sounds like original oil consumption was just caused by stuck open CDR, so engine doesnt sound like its in bad shape at all, especially if there is not much or any vapor coming out of oil fill tube when its warm.

Yep, which leaves us back where we started... fix the CDR and the problem goes away.

Instead, he bypassed the CDR and now we have a hot-intake-air issue, a neutral-crakcase-ventilation issue, and an airfilter that is gonna get real dirty real quick. The trade-off here is, the symptoms from the original problem are masked, not eliminated.

In short, nothing has been fixed... that annoying rattle is still there, but turning up the stereo REAL LOUD means you can no longer hear it.

Heck of a way to run a railroad.

 

[JMJNet]

There was a thread sometimes ago with a person who owns a truck that was diagnosed to have bad CDR. He came back and post after changing the CDR that the truck runs much better.

For what it is worth, it does have a function when it works properly.

It is one of those maintenance items like fuel filter, air filter, etc.

TD also point this out another issue may be is the oil thickness 60W. In WI, in the winter, the thicker oil will not flow too well. Hopefully, it has not caused the engine to sludge which can potentially cause the oil consumption and failed CDR. 40W in 5W40 or 15W40 is already thick enough even in TX.

Looking at the bright side, at least the truck is running.

 

[buddy]

I still dont like the CDR even if its operatining properly, as soon as I get the WMI nozzles in and the pressure switches I plan to vent as well so I dont get oil on that stuff. Thats just because since I chipped and put on HO injectors I get a lot of vapor, whereas before that very little. Compression is fine, engine runs great, but I dont like oil in the intake.

I also dont think an ambient crankcase pressure is an issue, the only time an issue would arise is if a breather element clogs and causes positive crankcase pressure.

The other stuff about the air filter is unrelated to bypassing the CDR.

 

[M123KT-450]

I have tons of break downs and issue i get pissed off and start ripping the truck down. . and you all go off the deep end on me about it :mad2:

:thumbsup: Now that the truck is Running great and make some power and i am starting to be happy with it your still nit picking me ?

:thumbsup:If you look threw every truck on this site with a fine toothed comb i am sure you'll find many MODs not done to your "SPECS" :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: Don't like what i have say so ! say it once n leave it be :thumbsup:

Mike

 

[Matt Bachand]

I have tons of break downs and issue i get pissed off and start ripping the truck down. . and you all go off the deep end on me about it :mad2:

:thumbsup: Now that the truck is Running great and make some power and i am starting to be happy with it your still nit picking me ?

:thumbsup:If you look threw every truck on this site with a fine toothed comb i am sure you'll find many MODs not done to your "SPECS" :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: Don't like what i have say so ! say it once n leave it be :thumbsup:

Mike

Folks here are either trying to avoid a relapse of your attitude that rubbed them the wrong way when you had problems a few weeks back,

or

Folks here are holding a grudge about your attitude earlier problems and may be 'nit picking' you.

or

Folks here are trying to use this thread as a resource to help other 6.5'ers and don't want others following what they know is not good for these engines.

I still havn't made up my mind yet either Mikey....

It does seem the CDR was malfunctioning before, and perhaps you don't need the 60w oil in there. Perhaps now with no CDR you can use regular oil. Remember, thinner oil = more power!:thumbsup:

Take it with a grain of salt. Everyone here as always is giving you the best advice they can for your engine.

I personally am happy for you that your engine is up and running, and I'm glad you posted back telling us you are now enjoying your 6.5T. I'd like to see it last for you too.:thumbsup:

 

[M123KT-450]

It just felt as tho i was being baited into a trap . . .

Mikey

 

[JiFaire]

I still dont like the CDR even if its operatining properly ... I dont like oil in the intake.

Nobody really likes oil in the intake - the point is, with a properly-functioning CDR, in an engine with not too much blow-by, you won't GET oil in the intake. If you do, then either your CDR isn't functioning properly, or your engine has other issues. Removing the CDR doesn't solve those issues, which is what we were trying to explain... going through all this stuff just cures the symptoms, not the disease.

The other stuff about the air filter is unrelated to bypassing the CDR.

Yep. That's what we all said, too.

 

[JiFaire]

Mikey, Matt is hitting it right on the head, in most cases...

- we ARE happy that you are enjoying your truck - that's why we are here.
- we ARE trying to use this thread to post good diagnostic and repair procedures. What you did may have solved your immediate issue, but it didn't address the underlying problem, and may have created you a few others...

When somebody comes on this forum and does a search for 'oil in intake', he will find this thread and your solution.. which won't solve his problem, either, and depending on the condition and shape of his engine, may cause him even MORE issues. When we post in a thread, we try to give the proper technical explanations so that people KNOW that what they read IS the recommended procedure. It will work in almost all cases.

Your procedure solved your immediate issue, may yet cause you more problems down the road, and may be very unsuitable for somebody else.

That being said, if you want to ignore our advice, go right ahead - but we still have a duty of care to the other members here, and we will still post up our thoughts on your modification so that others can make their own informed decision. Don't get mad at us - we aren't picking on you except when you blow your stack and get all 'attitudinal'.

We shouldn't have to put up with that; fact is, we won't. If you have an issue with something we say to you, report the post by clicking on the red yield sign (with the exclamation mark) in the lower right - your comment will go directly to all the Moderators and they will look the thread over to see if we're out of line.

OK? Can we either discuss this some more or move ahead here?

****on Edit**** And for what it's worth, we aren't the 'experts' - well, I'm not (TD and gmctd are) but we really do try our best to give you good information. There are piles of other members on here who know as much or more than we do on everything, or just on some things. Experience, research, and listening to others who have been there are all wonderful teaching and learning strategies.

 

[96 OILBURNER]

The other stuff about the air filter is unrelated to bypassing the CDR.

Yep. That's what we all said, too.

In a way it is related. It is kind of hard to plumb the CDR with the air filter clamped directly to the turbo

 

[M123KT-450]

In a way it is related. It is kind of hard to plumb the CDR with the air filter clamped directly to the turbo

:thumbsup: I could put the CDR back on it or get a NEW CDR but it ain't really going to do more then the breather i already have in its place :thumbsup:

Well said


Mike

 

[M123KT-450]

1. If this was blow by related i could have just put a barb into the valve cover but a barb onto the oil filler shaft and run a tube in between'em and just let the more refill its self even

or

2. Run a hose from the valve cover to a washer fluid tank mounted where the air box used to be. wire the pump up to a flip switch, then add a barb to the filler shaft and run a tube. then when its low on oil just flip the switch n filler right back up

or

3. If the breather gets plugged with oil its whooping $9.99 i could simply change it every or every other oil change

Mike

 

[buddy]

Even better, put the blow by hose back to the fuel tank or fuel return line since it fuel vapor. Not being serious.

breathers are cheap, can buy like 6 for the price of a CDR.

To be fair, a CDR does 3 things
1. emission compliance
2. provides a negative crankcase pressure (which prevents a positive pressure)
3. pisses a lot of people off

 

[Matt Bachand]

The one and only reason I like it is that if working properly it keeps a slight vacuum in the crankcase, which, nobody can argue, will help unhealthy seals.

Some oil in the intake can only help mileage and a little upper end lube, so that doesn't bother me.

 

[M123KT-450]

Lets just see how it goes few months from now you might get to say " I told you so " . . .

or

A few months from I got to give the first successful valve cover breather ?. . .

the in turn i get to be the one saying " I TOLD YOU SO "

Mike

 

[Matt Bachand]

Lets just see how it goes few months from now you might get to say " I told you so " . . .

or

A few months from I got to give the first successful valve cover breather ?. . .

the in turn i get to be the one saying " I TOLD YOU SO "

Mike

Sounds fair to me.

Since the CDR seemed to fix your oil problem, why not try a fresh 'normal weight' oil on your next change?

 

[M123KT-450]

I just changed my oil 50 miles ago. . .but ok next service i will go to a regular weight oil and see if it continues to be just fine. ... .

Mike