jdrobison
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this truck has been sitting for 9 months, former owner was having stalling issues and quit driving it. they said it would die then restart after sitting for a while. we purchased it as is. now it will not start at all.
we have replaced the pmd, checked the fuel shut off sol, cleaned all grounds, drained and flushed fuel system with new fuel, tied unplugging optical sensor, we are getting no fuel to the injectors when cranking, thinking possibly bad ip. we have checked the glow plugs and have 2 new batterys, have not scanned the codes yet. thanks.
Problem: Explain your problem in concise language (ie: Cranks but won’t fire). _Cranks but won’t fire___________________________
Demographics: tell us about your truck and your ambient conditions:
- Year: _1996_____
- Truck model and class (ie: c2500) 3500_________
- Automatic or Standard _auto_________
- Mileage: (indicate miles or km) _144,000 miles________
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc) _PMD__________
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR? ____not sure yet__has turbo________
- Ambient outside temp: (indicate *C or *F) _50 f_________
- What fuel are you using? (#1 Diesel, #2 Diesel, Bio, VO, WVO, etc) _diesel________
- What fuel additives are you using? ___________
- Where are you located? _SW MO____________
General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter __clean_______
- Fuel filter _new________
- CDR Valve? _________
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at ___?__________
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at ____?_______
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at ___new__________
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): _clean_____________
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them? ___?______ What type? _____________
- Injectors - last changed at ___?____________
History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened? __?____________
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared? prev owner was having stalling problems when they parked it_____________
- Has this problem ever happened before? _______________________
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem. ___?___________
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) _no__ And? ________
Diagnostics:
1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? __No_______
1b] Does the engine crank over? _yes_______
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? __yes_______
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? yes________
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? _about 8 - 10 sec________
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? _________ For how long? _________
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? _no_______
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? yes________
2] Fuel Issues (if not running):
2a] Can you hear your lift pump working? __yes__________
2b] Do you get a steady flow of fuel from the water drain (T-handle) ? ___yes______
2c] Loosen the inlet line from the IP – is fuel coming out (Lift Pump on)? __yes_________
2d] Loosen an injector line and crank the engine - does fuel come out? ___no______
2e] Do you hear a vacuum (hiss) when you remove the fuel cap? ____no_______
3] PMD / IP Issues
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted) _pump__________
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? _________
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. __clean_______
3d] PMD Make: ___________
3e] PMD Age: __new___________
4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? ____________
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) ______
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? _________
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? _________
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? _________
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? ___________
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? _________
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? ___________
5] Running Issues
5a] On cold start, does upper rad hose get hard before engine warms up? _______
5b] Any bubbles or oil film in coolant overflow tank? _______
5c] Any white slime on oil surfaces (dipstick, CDR, oil Fill cap)? __________
5d] Excessive white smoke from exhaust on cold start? _________
5e] Excessive black smoke from exhaust under hard acceleration? __________
6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? ___________
6b] Maximum boost under load? ____________
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? ______________
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? ________________
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? ______________
7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? ____________
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? _________
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? ____________
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? ________
7e] (winter) Have you tested your antifreeze? Good to what temp? __________
7f] (winter) Are you using a winter grille cover? ___________
List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.
_________________________________
we have replaced the pmd, checked the fuel shut off sol, cleaned all grounds, drained and flushed fuel system with new fuel, tied unplugging optical sensor, we are getting no fuel to the injectors when cranking, thinking possibly bad ip. we have checked the glow plugs and have 2 new batterys, have not scanned the codes yet. thanks.
Problem: Explain your problem in concise language (ie: Cranks but won’t fire). _Cranks but won’t fire___________________________
Demographics: tell us about your truck and your ambient conditions:
- Year: _1996_____
- Truck model and class (ie: c2500) 3500_________
- Automatic or Standard _auto_________
- Mileage: (indicate miles or km) _144,000 miles________
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc) _PMD__________
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR? ____not sure yet__has turbo________
- Ambient outside temp: (indicate *C or *F) _50 f_________
- What fuel are you using? (#1 Diesel, #2 Diesel, Bio, VO, WVO, etc) _diesel________
- What fuel additives are you using? ___________
- Where are you located? _SW MO____________
General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter __clean_______
- Fuel filter _new________
- CDR Valve? _________
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at ___?__________
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at ____?_______
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at ___new__________
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): _clean_____________
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them? ___?______ What type? _____________
- Injectors - last changed at ___?____________
History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened? __?____________
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared? prev owner was having stalling problems when they parked it_____________
- Has this problem ever happened before? _______________________
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem. ___?___________
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) _no__ And? ________
Diagnostics:
1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? __No_______
1b] Does the engine crank over? _yes_______
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? __yes_______
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? yes________
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? _about 8 - 10 sec________
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? _________ For how long? _________
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? _no_______
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? yes________
2] Fuel Issues (if not running):
2a] Can you hear your lift pump working? __yes__________
2b] Do you get a steady flow of fuel from the water drain (T-handle) ? ___yes______
2c] Loosen the inlet line from the IP – is fuel coming out (Lift Pump on)? __yes_________
2d] Loosen an injector line and crank the engine - does fuel come out? ___no______
2e] Do you hear a vacuum (hiss) when you remove the fuel cap? ____no_______
3] PMD / IP Issues
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted) _pump__________
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? _________
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. __clean_______
3d] PMD Make: ___________
3e] PMD Age: __new___________
4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? ____________
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) ______
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? _________
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? _________
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? _________
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? ___________
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? _________
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? ___________
5] Running Issues
5a] On cold start, does upper rad hose get hard before engine warms up? _______
5b] Any bubbles or oil film in coolant overflow tank? _______
5c] Any white slime on oil surfaces (dipstick, CDR, oil Fill cap)? __________
5d] Excessive white smoke from exhaust on cold start? _________
5e] Excessive black smoke from exhaust under hard acceleration? __________
6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? ___________
6b] Maximum boost under load? ____________
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? ______________
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? ________________
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? ______________
7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? ____________
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? _________
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? ____________
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? ________
7e] (winter) Have you tested your antifreeze? Good to what temp? __________
7f] (winter) Are you using a winter grille cover? ___________
List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.
_________________________________
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