truck not getting fuel

[porkchop12]

Problem: Explain your problem in concise language (ie: Cranks but won’t fire). _Truck sat for about a month. Truck will crank but won't fire. Added more fuel under the fuel filter. It's gets sucked up in the engine but won't fire._______________

Demographics: tell us about your truck and your ambient conditions:

- Year: __2000____
- Truck model and class (ie: c2500) c3500 dually_
- Automatic or Standard __auto________
- Mileage: (indicate miles or km) 133,xxx_________
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc) unknown just got truck___
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR? F engine______
- Ambient outside temp: (indicate *C or *F) _____60 degrees *F_____
- What fuel are you using? (#1 Diesel, #2 Diesel, Bio, VO, WVO, etc) _Idk what's in the tank___
- What fuel additives are you using? _______none____
- Where are you located? _chesterfield, Va___________

General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter ____unknown_____
- Fuel filter ____haven't changed yet_____
- CDR Valve? _____unknown____
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at __haven't changed since I have owned truck_
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at ____haven't changed yet, any recommendations_______
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at ____matched set new as of April 2016_________
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): ___yes___________
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them? _unknown____ What type? Unknown. Was told by last owner I need to change them.
- Injectors - last changed at ________unknown_______


History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened? ___Truck sat for a month___________
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared? ____ previous owner said it would stall occasionally. I bought the truck without hearing it run. _________
- Has this problem ever happened before? _________unknown______________
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem. ______________
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) __n__ And? ______engine light is on. Will check later this week.__

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[/FONT] Diagnostics:

1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? ___no____
1b] Does the engine crank over? ______yes__
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? ______yes___
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? ___only battery connections and the grounds I have found._____
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? _let in cycle fully before trying to start it. I don't know how much time._____
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? ___unknown______ For how long? _unknown___
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? ___never checked_____
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? Dims as cranking I believe

2] Fuel Issues (if not running):
2a] Can you hear your lift pump working? _didn't listen for it
2b] Do you get a steady flow of fuel from the water drain (T-handle) ? ____no_____
2c] Loosen the inlet line from the IP – is fuel coming out (Lift Pump on)? Haven't checked.
2d] Loosen an injector line and crank the engine - does fuel come out? Haven't checked
2e] Do you hear a vacuum (hiss) when you remove the fuel cap?no

3] PMD / IP Issues
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted) _____ Ken location______
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? _________
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. ____no_____
3d] PMD Make: ___unknown.________
3e] PMD Age: _____unknown________

4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? ______unknown.______
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) ____unknown__
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? _____unknown____
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? _____unknown____
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? ____unknown_____
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? _______unknown____
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? _______unknown__
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? _______ unknown____

5] Running Issues
5a] On cold start, does upper rad hose get hard before engine warms up? ____unknown___
5b] Any bubbles or oil film in coolant overflow tank? _____unknown__
5c] Any white slime on oil surfaces (dipstick, CDR, oil Fill cap)? _____unknown_____
5d] Excessive white smoke from exhaust on cold start? _______unknown__
5e] Excessive black smoke from exhaust under hard acceleration? Unknown

6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? ______no_____
6b] Maximum boost under load? ____________
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? ___________unknown___
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? ___________no_____
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? ___________oem___

7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? ________unknown____
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? ______no___
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? ______no______
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? ______no__
7e] (winter) Have you tested your antifreeze? Good to what temp? _____no_____
7f] (winter) Are you using a winter grille cover? ___________

List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.

Bought this truck from Maryland in September of 2015 had towed home. My mechanic had it running the next day. I started once a week until I had surgery in January 2016. Truck sat until March. I only cranked it twice in March. Been not starting since the 3 rd week in March and is ticking me off. Please help

Corey

 

[porkchop12]

I'm order a lift pump and ops switch if I don't hear from someone later this week.

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[ak diesel driver]

Couple of things stood out to me. First was glow plugs test them to see if they are working. If not get Bosch 80034. Also you said you weren't getting fuel out the water drain you should be getting fuel out of it for the first few seconds when you turn the key and continuously when it running. If not your LP is dead. OPS won't be an issue with your obd2.

 

[ak diesel driver]

Also plug that thing in diesels start better warm

 

[porkchop12]

Ok thanks for your input. I got a great deal on the truck I think. Just trying to get it running so I can get it inspected.



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[Will L.]

Welcome to the forum. Hang in there with the patience, pros here will get you rollin soon.

When it is cranking over, what rpm while cranking?

 

[porkchop12]

Yeah I will wasn't trying to sound like tool was just stating I'm planning to order those parts when I get paid later this week.

I have no idea on the rpms.

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[Will L.]

You didn't. Weve all been frustrated at one time- it's all good.

 

[JayTheCPA]

Also plug that thing in diesels start better warm

Is plenty warm enough in Richmond Va (even with our 'cold' snap of lows in the 50's this week). But as a test, would not hurt to try a pre-heat just to see what happens. Or just wait until the weekend when the forecast is in the 80's

I'm order a lift pump and ops switch if I don't hear from someone later this week.

Consider taking things one at a time rather than throwing parts at it just to see if you got lucky.

Toward isolating whether the lift pump (LP), oil pressure switch (OPS), or both died consider:
> grabbing a test light
> un-plugging the lift-pump
> plug in the test light
> turn the ignition to 'On'

If the test light turns 'On' for the duration that the 'Wait-to-Start' light stays 'On' and both lights turn 'Off' at the same time, the OPS is at least working normally.

 

[JayTheCPA]

Question: When it did start, what was the experience when the motor fired-up? Did it seem like all cylinders 'lit' and made a lot of clatter (until the motor was warm and the clatter died-down)? Or did it stutter for a few seconds and puff any smoke?

 

[JMJNet]

That checklist was not meant to be an application form, you need to test those parts.

You cannot say "Unknown", etc.
There should be links along with those lines.
If not, ask.

On a 99, the OPS is not a factor in running the LP.
In other words, if OPS is bad, LP should still run unless the OPS shows 0 psi.

 

[WarWagon]

You will learn to know your cranking speed by sound. Not enough RPM and these engines will not start. No glow plugs and these engines may not start in 110 degree weather.

Here is a clip of sticking injectors. Note the speed the engine is cranking at. Unlike gas engines that will start hardly turning over you need 100 RPM cold and 150 RPM hot to start minimum. If your engine sounds slower than this check batteries, cables and then the starter. The 6.5 starter can be half dead, crank at half speed, but still spins: won't start.

With this much sitting I suspect your batteries have sulfate and are toast. Jump start attempts on one of these 10 HP starters with bad batteries will not get it started period.

If she is cranking fast enough:
Do you get fuel at the water drain with the lift pump relay bypassed and the lift pump running? - must have this or give it up.
Watching fuel drain from the FFM while cranking just airlocked the IP - lots of cranking with the LP running to get it out. Recall 30 second bursts than cool for 2 min or you will be replacing the melted starter.

Are you out of fuel with a bad fuel gauge?

When you got fuel at the water drain you can loosen an injector line nut and see if it's getting fuel. The PMD tests are under the reference section.

 

[porkchop12]

Forgot to post got the truck running last Saturday. Was old fuel. It turns out the fuel gauge always reads full lol. Previous owner said it stalled a lot. So I was looking at new pmd. But there is a grey one and a black one being sold. Mine is on the ip and its black. I plan on moving to the bumper. My question is which pmd brand is going to give me less headaches? I have read all the posts on pmd via every websites. But still unsure which to buy.

 

[JayTheCPA]

Forgot to post got the truck running last Saturday. Was old fuel. It turns out the fuel gauge always reads full lol. Previous owner said it stalled a lot.

Ha! Yes, sucking air will do that

FSo I was looking at new pmd. . . .But still unsure which to buy.

I'd go with whatever Leroy is selling and not install it until after the remote mount is ready.

Consider also getting a second cooling fin and move the current one to a spare part supply in the truck. This way you have a known good PMD setup just in case the new one goes bad.

 

[porkchop12]

Quick question why hasn't anyone ever moved the pmd in the cab? Or I have a place between my flatbed and cab that's 6inches wide and open to air movement

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[JayTheCPA]

Might work in the cab just as well as in front of the radiator. But then you have to find a place for it and the heat sync to fit; also, that is one more hole through the firewall.

 

[snarl95]

It gets really hot in the cab during summer.

 

[Will L.]

In the 90's I was putting them in the cab in fleets. What we did was put it so the vent could cool it via AC in summer, and the blend door with an adapter arm would block heat off it in the winter- another problem.

In the end it's not worth all that extra- just go back of bumper unless you go water fording.

 

[Husker6.5]

Wouldn't that be water Chevying, Will?

 

[SnowDrift]

Quick question why hasn't anyone ever moved the pmd in the cab? Or I have a place between my flatbed and cab that's 6inches wide and open to air movement

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Mine has been on my skid plate out front for 12-14 years. It was from Heath Diesel.