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Raptor Install

greenmeanh1

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I bought my hmc4 back in 2000. The first lift pump lasted 70k miles. Since then i have gone through 4 in half as many miles. I put it down to cheap manufacturing with cheap materials. Having recently completed the FTB mod the search has been on now for a better HO pump for the truck.
I chose the Raptor RP150. I actually wanted the RP100 being better suited for what i was doing but i found a good deal on the 150 and could not pass it up. I have read a lot of the install threads and it seemed the Raptor although expensive seemed to have less failures than other pumps. I was just about to order the Walboro FRB5 and changed my mind because of a few threads here on it shortcomings and failures in some cases. Hopefully the Raptor lives up to its price and the hype.
Then i got to thinking about our spikey 12v battery power supply and i realized you can't blame everything on the pump. I came to the conclusion that the same issue killing PMDs was killing pumps as well. Battery voltages can be descibed as spikey at best with wild fluxuations. Motors don't like it and niether do logic circuits. How can i install the expensive Raptor knowing this and the potential risks??
Answer I can't so a solution must be found and the answer is.,, Pulse Width Modulation!
Pulse width modulation will do several things. It will prolong the life of a DC motor by minimizing heat and spike stress with higher frequency switching and regulation. Also it uses less power than a direct connection and most importantly the load can be accurately controlled with a programmable digital gauge and a single potentiometer.
The Raptor was clearly overkill and even with the Raptors internal pressure regulation 8-10 psi was the average minimum you can get. Some would say its still too high. What i decided to do was set the pump pressure to 16 psi which is the maximun DS4 pump pressure tolerated and use the PWM to dial down the speed of the motor to control pressure in a precise way from in the cab on the fly.
So with all that in mind!!! I built a box!!

I will explain the box a little better.
The red and green wires out the top go to the raptor pump.
There is a 3 wire mini connector you cant see that comes out the top for the control knob input from the cab.
In the bottom is the stock pump connector that is fed from the stock plug on the truck. The red wire is the battery feed wire and it is fused at 15 amps inside the box.
On the right side bottom is a neg and pos buss connection. The Black is ground. This wire must be connected for the priming feature or negatively switched pumps to operate properly.
The pos contact is hot when the vehicle is off unles the logic switch is in the center position in which case the contact is hot when the vehicle is running. I have a plan for this connection.
The 3 way switch when in the center position direct the flow through the PWM. If something should happen to the PWM the switch can be put to the right to bypass the PWM and DIRECT INPUT to the pump motor.
With the vehicle off the switch an be turned to the left to run the pump for priming the fuel system from under the hood.
The two green leds on the side are power indicators for the trigger side and batt+ side of the switch and will be helpful for quick diagnostics of the fuel system if any,,, ever
A few pics
 

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:pat: This is a major violation of KISS! It is made worse by disregarding the fact that electronics are what is killing the runner up pumps, Walbro.

Seriously set the Raptor to 10-14 PSI and drop the heat generating potential electronic failure points in the implementation. PWM drivers are a common failure point. Bad enough we got to deal with the same issue called PMD's.

Cool design and all, but, IMO sacrifices reliability needlessly.
 
I can't disagree with you, still, i think PWM is better than not having it for a lot of reasons. I will say this,, running a constant 10-14psi could have short term expensive reliability issues of its own... potentialy!!
Plus i was thinking what you are saying and that why i installed the bypass switch.
I keep you posted on how it works out. Having control over my pressure from the cab has been something i wanted to do for a while, largely for testing the effects of different pressures on temps and fuel economy top speed etc.
I do however appreciate your thoughts!!
 
I bought my truck used, spoke to the only mechanic the po used and he mentioned the whole fuel system original except the filter.

The original lp lasted until this year 130,000 miles. I know for sure it tested good at 120,000 mile service. Funny thing is when I tested it when adding turbo it "failed". Put in new pump it tested bad, then I realised my drain valve was plugged with mud from the last river crossing or mud bog. :dr:Cleaned it out and tested good. Couldn't bring myself to test original yet- its on a shelf in the garage.
 
I copied this from another thread i had posted in the wrong spot LOL
I should add the Raptor and the PWM are installed and working. I only did a 30 miles road test but tonight i am taking it out on a 700 mile round trip to ottawa and back. If any bugs in the install they should present over this trip. I removed the prefilter i was using. It was clean. I still have a tank sock. I removed the secondary filter in the Fuel Manager and cut out the windows and removed the heater spring when i did the FTB. I nstalled a glass viewer and filter up near the IP so between the 4 filters in the system, i should be good.
Install went smooth except for a return line in the way.
 

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Nice work. The only thing I m not fond of is burying the ffm more. I hate a remote mount filter that is still hard to acess. Thinking about moving mine to the steering wheel:lmao:

Hope it works out for ya.
 
750 miles on the new pwm/raptor setup to Ottawa and back. Awesome is all i can say. I still want to get better fitting /quality lines made up for quick connecting and now that i know it all works i think that will be the next step. It will help make a bit of wiggle room to get to the ffm. I am running a steady 8psi as i don't have the control mounted in the cab yet. Next step now is the pressure sensor and gauge setup.
 
Update: Just went over the 4kmiles mark on this setup. Very pleased and so far it has outlasted the last 4 pumps. Truck runs so much better as a bonus.
 
I have now installed the fuel controller/reader for the PWM along with a EGT probe. I am using some Auber gauges for the readers. Works very well. The only major change to the plan was adding a presision 5 turn knob and lock.
 

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On top of my engine you can fry eggs for and likely bake brownies too!! LOL its true the Auger gauges are ussualy used in kitchen gear. They seem real nice though!!
 
On top of my engine you can fry eggs for and likely bake brownies too!! LOL its true the Auger gauges are ussualy used in kitchen gear. They seem real nice though!!

I run all Auber gauges.

Reliable and dead nuts accurate. Programmable warning lights and aux outputs are a bonus.

Well worth the couple bucks. Wouldn't use anything else ever again.

Critical pieces of gear on the dyno runs as far as I'm concerned. The boys I dyno tune with are all starting to buy them after seeing mine.

Also: finally had to replace the raptor 100 after 5 years. Recently developed a leak on the motor shaft seal and allowed air intrusion. Called pure flow, they shipped a new one out a no cost. Told me my lifetime warranty is still in effect on the new one.

So, still 400 bucks well spent.

:)
 
Wow I think my RP150 pump only had a one year warranty. Still if it lasts 5 years i would be impressed. Seems to me the pump should come apart and the shaft O ring should be replaceable. I have not had mine apart yet although when i first got it i was tempted to look inside. Its good they replaced yours and shows the character of the company!!
My Raptor RP 150 is barely turning with my current settings. I have the pump internal regulator cranked up to about 22psi and i use my PWM controller to dial it way down to about 5 psi so the pump motor is barely turning. You can't hear it at all and the only way you can tell its working is to look at the fuel pressure on the Auber gauge.
Previously i set the Raptor as low as it would go which was 9-10 psi with the internal regulaor. You could hear the motor then even further dialed down to 5psi with the PWM. Thing is there was no change in pressure from idle to WOT at this setting and it was my belief the DS IP works better with a scaled gradient pressure ie; lower pressure at higher throttle openings and higher pressure at lower throttle openings. This seems to sort of mimick the stock pump operation except most stock pumps would balk and fall below 0 psi at wot. Again my belief is at WOT anything above zero to around 2 psi is good. So anyway, i found allowing the pump to load up at a lower RPM gets the pressure to drop on demand for fuel and i have been tweaking that out bit by bit and learning as i go.
I am totaly impressed with the Auber stuff all around. I see the slightest changes occuring while driving around at different altitudes and loads. In fact it may be worth employing the built in filter to average out the fuel pressure gauge reading a little better.
 
I bought mine just before they dropped the lifetime warranty to 1 year.

Guy on the phone said the new company will still honor the lifetime warranties they used to give out and mine is "grandfathered" so pumps for life for me.

:)

DS4 isn't effected by increased lift pump pressure like a DB2. All you really need is positive pressure to keep the DS4 "healthy", although mine seems to smooth out at around 12-14 psi lift pump pressure.

Up to 25 psi has been run on a DS4 before with no adverse effects, Tim did it also IIRC or he witnessed it. Can't remember which it was at the moment. Although it might swallow 25 PSI, I for sure wouldn't recommend it on a regular basis.
 
For experimental/prototype fuel systems at tank farm and local racks, we would vary the feed pressures and monitor the pump vibration. Find the lowest vibration and that is your sweet spot for longest life. Can't see how it would be any different on the small scale. We just used a contact mic hooked to an oscilloscope. Glass of water on top of the pump should work fine...
 
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