• Welcome to The Truck Stop! We see you haven't REGISTERED yet.

    Your truck knowledge is missing!
    • Registration is FREE , all we need is your birthday and email. (We don't share ANY data with ANYONE)
    • We have tons of knowledge here for your diesel truck!
    • Post your own topics and reply to existing threads to help others out!
    • NO ADS! The site is fully functional and ad free!
    CLICK HERE TO REGISTER!

    Problems registering? Click here to contact us!

    Already registered, but need a PASSWORD RESET? CLICK HERE TO RESET YOUR PASSWORD!

quick kerosene question

well a few of you guys posted about using dyed fuel...I have zero problems with that...it seems it is a risk you are willing to take.

as Kenny mentioned about the posting of this on a public forum...though most user names and generalized locations give a person some semblance of anonymity... if you would like your post deleted or if the original poster would like this thread deleted, ya'll feel free to make that request.
 
Pepperidge said:
well a few of you guys posted about using dyed fuel...I have zero problems with that...it seems it is a risk you are willing to take.

as Kenny mentioned about the posting of this on a public forum...though most user names and generalized locations give a person some semblance of anonymity... if you would like your post deleted or if the original poster would like this thread deleted, ya'll feel free to make that request.
Click to expand...

Just to add, IP addresses are easily traceable....
 
For a moment there i thought you guys live the USSR .:agreed:
I been running only dyed gas and diesel onroad since i started farming in 86.
But then i live in a rather free country where they still live and let live and don't have a cop on every corner ;)
 
Kenny why would it be legal to run clear kerosene and not dyed? I thought it was about the road tax not being applied. I have red because I bought it in Mass, NH doesnt dye k-1 apparently. So I just went and bought some clear k-1 at the pump. But like I said before, it's 40 cents more a gallon than diesel, without road tax, so there's no reason to want to use it.
I guess if they wanted to arrest me I'd at least ask to see the statute that gives them the authority to stick my tank in a private vehicle. I know I'm on a public road, but asfik our DOT only bothers with commercial vehicles.
Of course, if they were to ask me I'd probably tell them I put dyed in and why. And I'd be more than willing to challenge the fine in court. I think the intent of the law is to prevent commercial users from bypassing the taxes, whereas my intent (for my 7 measly gallons) was to dispose of it.
 
1st off, I don't understand what a little dye would have to do with performance in your heater? Maybe you really weren't sold dyed K-1. Maybe it was #1 fuel oil or something?

As far as the taxes go, here in MN it depends where you buy it. Some places just add the road tax up front along with a few extra cents of profit for your convenience for clear. The place where I buy clear at the pump, makes me fill out a tax exemption form saying that I'm using it for home heating fuel. It's up to me to be honest and actually use it for home heating and not road fuel. But, it's typically .50 higher that road diesel anyway, even without the road tax, so why put it in your tank? Unless you are using it as an additive and there is no road tax on additives.

I've never seen dye K-1 only dyed #1 heating oil or ag/construction/offroad diesel.

And I guess for 7 gallons, I wouldn't worry about it. Unless you live in an area that frequently has people in pick up trucks that cheat the system or you're a real ass to law enforcement, I don't think they will stop you for a dip. And in a couple of tank fulls of regular diesel all the evidence will be gone.

If you're feeling guilty about it, mail a dollar into your state's DOT with a letter eplaining how you disposed of 7 gallons of dyed fuel. :D
 
3bals said:
1st off, I don't understand what a little dye would have to do with performance in your heater? Maybe you really weren't sold dyed K-1. Maybe it was #1 fuel oil or something? As I understand it, Mass puts red dye in kerosene so people dont misuse it, same as heating oil. And the station I was going to straddles the Mass/NH line. The other place I just wnet sells it at the pump also, but it's not dyed. I did some reading online and learned that the dye can play hell with the wicks. This is a convection wick-type heater, not a salamander

If you're feeling guilty about it, mail a dollar into your state's DOT with a letter eplaining how you disposed of 7 gallons of dyed fuel. :D
Click to expand...
Ha Ha Ha that's a great idea. Although I'm not in much of a good mood to deal with the state right now. Just registered another vehicle and my rectal cavity is still extremely sore. We arrest people for stealing, but the state does it every day and it's okay
 
I just realized something, Aces is in Connecticut! That's why all the doom & gloom. When I was trucking, everybody knew better than to get stopped or go to a weigh station in Ct, they are the biggest ball-busters in the country. Except maybe for Pennsylvania.
 
Yes, CT is a lil stricter than NH, or anywhere else I can think of.....
By the way, Dan, I bought my truck right near you, in Raymond...
 
Detroit Dan said:
I just realized something, Aces is in Connecticut! That's why all the doom & gloom. When I was trucking, everybody knew better than to get stopped or go to a weigh station in Ct, they are the biggest ball-busters in the country. Except maybe for Pennsylvania.
Click to expand...

Thats an understatment. I hate this state.
 
Pepperidge said:
members and guests do not have the ability to see a members IP adresses Kenny
Click to expand...

No but a court order would.
Hey, I'm just trying to help. I am in the industry and know what can happen and they stop pickup trucks around here and it's a violation of fed and state so it doesn't matter where you are. EPA and IRS can target anyone at anytime. Loose lips sink ships.....
Using Red fuel especially in a time when gov is starving for your money is very risky...Bragging about it on a forum is just plain dumb. Sorry if that's blundt but I doubt the people who got sued by the RIAA thought file sharing was a big deal either until they got screwed with 10s of thousands in judgements and legal fees.
 
Last edited:
Detroit Dan said:
Kenny why would it be legal to run clear kerosene and not dyed? I thought it was about the road tax not being applied. I have red because I bought it in Mass, NH doesnt dye k-1 apparently. So I just went and bought some clear k-1 at the pump. But like I said before, it's 40 cents more a gallon than diesel, without road tax, so there's no reason to want to use it.
I guess if they wanted to arrest me I'd at least ask to see the statute that gives them the authority to stick my tank in a private vehicle. I know I'm on a public road, but asfik our DOT only bothers with commercial vehicles.
Of course, if they were to ask me I'd probably tell them I put dyed in and why. And I'd be more than willing to challenge the fine in court. I think the intent of the law is to prevent commercial users from bypassing the taxes, whereas my intent (for my 7 measly gallons) was to dispose of it.
Click to expand...
For tax purpsoes it is NOT legal however ULS Kero is clear and in an oridinary stop would not be picked up.All the Pumps around here that sell ULS Kero have a sticker on them saying the fuel IS legal so you have a very good argument to play dumb even though that "it is legal statement" is really only EPA. Still not legal if motor fuel taxes have not been collected. IN a typical stop they stick a turkey baster looking thing in your tank and draw a sample. if it's clear you will be let go, if it's red the fuel will then be analyzed. Like you said, i's not cost effective to run kero so they really don't care about it however that doesn't make it legal and if your fuel is red...Your in trouble. Come on people...You really think any smart ass wishful thinking tricks are gonna work against the IRS and EPA ?? You'd get in less trouble for killling someone. we all have a greedy Uncle and his name is Sam and he wants his money.
 
BTW On the orignal topic of will it hurt the engine, the answer is no. In fact high sulfur fuel is better for the IP. If it were legal a DS4 would probably last twice as long on #2HS.
 
buddy said:
I would use 2-stroke oil with the kerosene, maybe it will make it purple :) If your heaters didnt like dyed fuel, could be iffy with the DS4. It wont hurt anything until you get too dark, and I dont imagine its dark, or will refract light much differently.

Since 2-stroke is made to mix, would best provide lubrication
Click to expand...

During post hurricane Katrina when fuel was scarce we were legally allowed to run red, I bought as much as I could and ran all I could during that time period, they even put it in some of the regular (non AG) Diesel pumps/tanks no problems whatsoever running it, I ran it about 3 months or so.

All cautions/warnings about running red for tax & environmental thug enforcement agencies worth heeding. If I was in a bind & kero was all I had in emergency like another Katrina or national disaster event I'd run it preferred with some lubricity additive, supposedly Stanadyne started putting in "hardened" parts in IPs to better survive low lubricity I don't know when that transition happened, I still run SAE30 oil in all my fuel along with a dose of PS Grey.
 
I think the DS4 IP's had all hardened internals IIRC.

The arctic pump DB2's have the same hardened parts as well IIRC.

I don't have the best memory sometimes so the IIRC's are there to save my ass
 
ULSD is probably the worst diesel yet, as far as our IP wear problems. The red stuff is what should be at the pumps at all times. We should be given the choice dammit.

The plungers in all IP's are hadened, they have to be. Hard hard super hard steel.
 
Well I believe by hardened, referring to the latest spec DS4, the 5521S, the S meaning it has additional hardened and low friction pieces over all previous models. Its in one of the tech reference threads. Of course if you get a rebuilt pump, who knows what was put in it. Most internals probably aren't changed at all, unless its done by a real Stanadyne shop and it cost you $1000 to rebuild.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top