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Proper HID Retrofit "on the cheap"

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*NOTE* Keep in mind, "on the Cheap" is a relative term here. You can only do HID's "the right way" so cheap.

I'm currently low on cash (who isn't?), but I need to do a light upgrade.

As in headlight upgrade. As in HID upgrade.

Mine are so dim now that the wife asks at least once a trip if my headlights are on. It's become a safety issue now for the darker than black @$$ night driving we have to do here and Moose running around flagrantly disregarding the rules of the road.

:eek:

The factory lenses have been cleaned over and over, but the halogens are old. Doesn't matter, I need more light even from a fresh set of stockers. The fact that even the cheapest cars have better lights from the factory doesn't help when one is behind me. They even wash out my truck's headlights from behind. My truck just makes a dark patch in front of me where it blocks their headlights!

:rolleyes5:

I've polished the lenses several times (sand, polish coat, etc) and no real difference. No matter how you cut it, the stock composite lights on a GMT400 just plain suck.

I considered changing the bulbs out and installing a relay setup for bat voltage right to the bulbs, but if I'm going through that expense and trouble I'm just going to do an HID upgrade and be done with it. I've got OEM HID's in my 300M special and boy oh boy, that is the cure!

So, I pulled a set of Acura TSX projectors out that I've had on the shelf for years now.

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Yup, still as pristine as the day I bought 'em (stuff you see on the lens in the picture is just fluff from the packaging it was stored in).

So, step one and no money spent (well, was spent a long time ago).

Now, I need ballasts and D2s capsules.

In truth I would already have a set of Denso Ballasts and bulbs, but some SOB named Keith Carlos (Lives near Atlanta) ripped me off for 200 bucks way back when I bought the projectors. Took my money and strung me along for 6 months. They're in the mail, I'm mailing them friday, I returned your money, I forgot and I'm sending it western union, etc, etc......

If you're out there you F'er, yes you're still a crook, yes you're a SOB and yes, it's just one more thing you'll have to answer for it when this life is up and you're standing in front of the "pearly gates".....you dirty F'n thief.

Anyways, needing some stuff but low on cash I trip on over to the last refuge of the "strapped for cash" shoppers.....eBay.

Search for a while and I come across a used set with cut wires, but it's all there. May or may not work.

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8 bucks.

Snatch.

Mine.

It was a last minute "opportunity grab". Kid of like the stuff that hangs on the shelf at the cash register lines in the store.

Even if the ballasts don't work, I'll get my money out of the connectors and wiring bits. If the bulbs and ballasts work, they may become my high beams in a set of "non cut off" projectors I've got lying around. Just too cheap to pass up.

So, I still need a set for the low beams.

Not wanting to trust my used eBay stuff for either the start of the build or full time use, I have a look around for something better.

Sure enough, any Denso ballasts or other OE quality stuff is just too expensive for me right now.

I find a cheap "china" kit (what the hell isn't made in china anymore anyways?) that's got an affordable price tag on it.

35w Ballasts, 4300K D2S bulbs, Amp to D2S adapters and mounting brackets.

Everything I need to get started.

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40 bucks, free shipping to Canada.

Done.

I know, not the best quality but it will get me through until I can pop for some good ballasts and Phillips bulbs.

More importantly, it allows me to get on with retrofitting HID's.

So far I'm up to 60 bucks, not counting the 110 I spent once upon a time on the reflectors.

I'll also be building a relay kit to power them directly from the batteries. I could buy one, but I've already got all the bits here to make it to fit my truck. I may work a 4HI setup into the relay harness as well.

I'll have to keep the DRL's, they're law in Canada.

Since it's in the low beams on the halogens, it won't work the HIDs and I'll have to come up with a different plan.

I'm thinking to build an LED board for the turn signals and make a couple rows white to run DRLs, the rest amber for turns and running lights. That will give me a smidge more room to run intercooling piping back there anyways...



Now, I just have to find some clear lens housings that isn't going to cost 150 bucks.

There's two I'm looking at:

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There's advantages/disadvantages to each. Both will come in right around the 100 buck mark with shipping.

The black are set up for easy installation on the TSX projectors:

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A bit too much of the "racer boy black look" for my personal taste and I just don't think that looks that good on a GMT400. But it will be easy to work with to install the projectors and the black will make it easy to touch up if I need to so some shaving on the housing.

I'm just not so much a fan of the black look.

The sliver reflector models will be more work (cutting, mounting, etc) to fit the projectors, but I much prefer the silver. More of a factory look and it goes well with the GMT400 look. It will be a serious Biotch to make look nice if I mess up the reflector surface and may end up black in the end to cover any imperfections.

Got some thinking to do.....black is probably the smarter choice for the retro, it's just that look...:skep:.... ugghhh.
 
Got some thinking to do.....black is probably the smarter choice for the retro, it's just that look....... ugghhh.

Have to agree with you about the look, but if brighter lights are what you after it would seem the OEM look might not be in the picture.
 
Puck it.

Bought the black housings.

88 bucks Cdn with shipping.

Time to get on with it.

So, if I had wanted to go cheap and chance used parts I could have gotten away with:

TSX projectors - paid for 7-ish years ago for another project so I'll say no cost.
HID - 8 bucks +12 shipping = 20 bucks
Black projector housings - theres a used set on ebay starting at 9 bucks +40 shipping = 50 bucks.
Misc wiring/relays/glue/etc - already in the garage from various projects, no cost.

total - could have been as cheap as 70 bucks.

What I paid:

TSX projectors - 110 bucks
Housings - 90 bucks
HID - 40 bucks
Misc - no charge, comes from bits in the garage stock that I always have around

total - 240 bucks (plus a bit if you want to count Misc).

Not bad.

Fairly cheap considering it'll be hid's with a great factory light cut off from the TSX projectors.

Hopefully, the HID kit with last 2-3 years so I can swap out to some good stuff.

Build pics to follow when I get the bits in my mitts......

;)
 
I'd like a more stock look also and have been waiting to stumble on a set I like (still looking).
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the professional stuff that actually looks like chrome....


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I know the stuff. Looked into it for a product we made, but its been years ago. It did not quite have the same shine as chrome, but it was close.
 
I bought a set of Fle-bay for $90 and they lasted me 3 and a half years before I traded the truck in. Never once had an issue.

The black lenses are nice but they can also cut out a ton of light because the reflectors which give your actual beam, are tinted black, cutting out actual light output. I was gonna vote for the projectors but I've seen so many vehicles lately with these aftermarket projector lenses in GMT400 trucks and their light output is absolutely awful.

Your stock lenses are refractors, not reflectors. They basically use the actual lens to scatter and provide some type of beam pattern. Throwing in HIDs in there is gonna do nothing but throw light everywhere. I would think the projectors would be the best bet.

What color temp did you go with?
 
I have a set of the Ebay projectors in mine, and the light output with the H1 bulbs wasn't that great. I put in a set of H1 HID's in them and the light output is pretty good. Mine are the grey tinted lenses for the projectors, and clear lenses on the outside. The high beams SUCK though, even with the HIR high beams they just don't put out that much light as they are aimed way to low. My low beams are nice though and put out more light than most any stock projectors with halogen bulbs do in a new car.
 
I bought a set of Fle-bay for $90 and they lasted me 3 and a half years before I traded the truck in. Never once had an issue.

The black lenses are nice but they can also cut out a ton of light because the reflectors which give your actual beam, are tinted black, cutting out actual light output. I was gonna vote for the projectors but I've seen so many vehicles lately with these aftermarket projector lenses in GMT400 trucks and their light output is absolutely awful.

Your stock lenses are refractors, not reflectors. They basically use the actual lens to scatter and provide some type of beam pattern. Throwing in HIDs in there is gonna do nothing but throw light everywhere. I would think the projectors would be the best bet.

What color temp did you go with?

Good news on the eBay ballasts, here's hoping I have the same luck.

These units are only black on the face, no tinting on the lens of the reflectors/lenses. The lenses are clear, not refractors like the OE. That's why I had to buy new housings to install the TSX projectors, to get away from the fluting on the factory lenses.

The halogen projector housing that comes with the units will be removed and the Acura TSX HID projectors will be installed.

Bulbs will be the proper D2S capsules for the TSX projectors. 4300K capsules. I hate the "ricer boy" purple/blue bulbs. That's also why I'm not a fan of the black housings, damned ricer punks.....

So no worries on light output, the housing is simply going to hold a stock set of real HID lights and the lenses are clear (no fluting or tinting).

The projector housings I remove may find a new home on the high beam side as the reflectors in the replacement housing look kind of small/mishaped. Projectors would remove that issue altogether. But I'll have to do some experimenting first. It would solve my DRL issue if I kept the halogens on the high beam side. I'd just have to rewire the DRL module wiring a bit to drive teh high beam bulbs instead of the lows (HID ballasts don't do well on DRL voltages).

I have a set of the Ebay projectors in mine, and the light output with the H1 bulbs wasn't that great. I put in a set of H1 HID's in them and the light output is pretty good. Mine are the grey tinted lenses for the projectors, and clear lenses on the outside. The high beams SUCK though, even with the HIR high beams they just don't put out that much light as they are aimed way to low. My low beams are nice though and put out more light than most any stock projectors with halogen bulbs do in a new car.

See responses above. No H1 bulbs will be used.

High beams will either be 9006 based, HID with projector housings or Halogen projectors.

Light should be miles (LOL, no pun intended!) better than the stockers in every way....
 
Didnt one of the vendors here built an HID kit to accommodate the 3157/4157 turn signal bulb? That would be a rather cool fix for the need for DRLs.
 
I said screw it to all the ricer punks and bought 4 black "projector" headlights for my truck. Ordered them with 2 sets of bulbs, ballasts, harnesses, relays.

Luckily i ordered the HID's with it, because the light output is adequate with the all black housing, but much better than stock sealed beams with relay harness.

The plan is to chop these up and retrofit some projectors too. They can be purchased for close to $30 a set on Ebay (for my 83 Jimmy) and like you, my idea is that they will hide any imperfections when i cut out for the projectors.

Plus, I've dressed in all black since I was a kid (not a goth), black t-shirts, black jeans, black trucks...might as well go with black headlights too. Some times I like them, other times they are dreadfully cheap looking...but they do the trick:

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The color difference is due to cold day+cold HID's and odd lighting:

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Thats me, Thought about it, but did not want to be pushy.
http://www.pmdcable.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=5&zenid=kcpgi5n32kps6lg65oevsrel94
With these adapters you can put the 880 fog light bulb (hid or traditional bulb) inplace of the 315x
I'd like to get a set of those adapters...
Don't know what you know about the GMT800 trucks...but where would one mount the ballast for the reverse lights...also will the plugs for the 3157 etc. need adapting to plug into the 880 bulb?
 
Let me clairify, not sure I understand the ? The HID back up lights would only use the 3157 socket for power to trigger the relay that turns on the HIDs. You would not use the socket to power the bulb directly.
Are you going to source your own HID's?

You would mount the ballast behind the taillight. PM me your address and I'll email you a set of instructions that will help alot if you buy from me or not.
 
Let me clairify, not sure I understand the ? The HID back up lights would only use the 3157 socket for power to trigger the relay that turns on the HIDs. You would not use the socket to power the bulb directly.
Are you going to source your own HID's?

You would mount the ballast behind the taillight. PM me your address and I'll email you a set of instructions that will help alot if you buy from me or not.

I'll have to get the adapters from you, but I already have a source for the 880 hids... just wondering how plug and play this mod is...is there another adapter to plug/power the HID ballast off the 3157 plug? or just use a wire tap/splice...or cut and splice?

I wasn't sure there was room for a ballast behind the tail light...I've had the truck for 11 years and never had to take them out to even change a bulb...
 
Its a pretty easy mod. The adapters make plug and play. You can use a wire tap (the instructions I just sent you uses a wire tap) but I have/can get a neat pigtail that will plug into the 315x so you don't need a wire tap.

You would not be disappointed with the results of the mod. I love mine.
 
If you're out there you F'er, yes you're still a crook, yes you're a SOB and yes, it's just one more thing you'll have to answer for it when this life is up and you're standing in front of the "pearly gates".....you dirty F'n thief.
i know their kind. everyone has one on their list and mine is "Jake." said he would pay me for a brand new IP that i sent him because he was down on his luck but he didn't. hope he's still down, ..... or dead.
 
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