natjwest
Member
I've spent a couple hours on the forums here, learning about PMDs and I think that's my problem. I'm not mechanically inclined, but I am good with tools (carpentry mostly) and generally fearless. I've taken the truck into a diesel mechanic (Parkrose Truck and Auto in Portland Oregon) and they couldn't find anything wrong. It stalled out on me on the way home, so I'm giving up on them. So I'm trying to figure out if I should do a PMD replacement myself or just pay to have it done.
I checked the technical library and it helped me find where the PMD and injector pump is and it looks like it's still there, but I can't be sure if it's ever been replaced or if there is a remote PMD. Not sure how to look for that.
I bought the truck in the spring so don't know much of these answers below.
Problem: Truck stalls as if no gas, electrics work, no codes.
Demographics:
- Year: 2000
- Truck model and class: k2500
- Automatic or Standard: Automatic
- Mileage: (indicate miles or km) 188,000mi
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc): unknown
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR?: Turbo, not sure about the others
- Ambient outside temp: 60-80F
- What fuel are you using?: #2 and B99, mostly B99 where available
- What fuel additives are you using?: None
- Where are you located?: Portland Oregon
General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter: inspected recently
- Fuel filter: two weeks, 1000 miles ago
- CDR Valve?: unknown
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at: unknown
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at: regular about 6k miles ago
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at: Spring 2010, good charge
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): Spring 2010
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them?: unknown What type?: unknown
- Injectors - last changed at: unknown
History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened?: Cruise control about 65mph
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared?: Yes
- Has this problem ever happened before?: about 10 times since then. I changed the fuel filter and it stopped for 1000 miles or so.
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem: Switch to B99 early summer
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) Yes And? no codes
Diagnostics:
1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? Yes
1b] Does the engine crank over? Yes
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? Yes
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? Yes
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? Yes, about five seconds
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? don't think so, can't remember seeing a glow plug light? For how long? _________
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? briefly, a nice white puff only when cold
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? Yes
2] Fuel Issues (if not running): runs fine, section skipped.
3] PMD / IP Issues
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted): appears to be on pump
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? unknown
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. unknown
3d] PMD Make: unknown
3e] PMD Age: unknown
4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? so far, yes
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) I think only under acceleration, but it can be mild. Stalled tonight backing up into my driveway
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? never any problem restarting after about a minute
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? no, it dies all the way, then I wait a minute and it starts just fine.
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? don't think so, no
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? yes
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? yes
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? check gages and battery icon are lit when engine stalls
5] Running Issues
none, other than stalling
6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? no
6b] Maximum boost under load? unknown
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? no
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? no
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? appears OEM
7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? single
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? unknown
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? unknown
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? unknown
List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.
As I mentioned in the beginning, I switched to B99 in early summer when I bought the truck. It ran fine for about 2000 miles with a mix of B99 and #2. Then just last week on a trip to California, it stalled four time on the freeway with no load. I found a mechanic in Grants Pass who helped me replace the fuel filter (I had not done so since switching to B99) and the problem went away. Drove for another approx 1000 miles with no issues then stalled on my three times in one short ride home. Took it to the mechanic who couldn't find anything wrong, but I don't think they knew what they were doing. I have an appointment in two days with Green Drop Garage (Bio and Veggie specialists) for diagnostic.
I checked the technical library and it helped me find where the PMD and injector pump is and it looks like it's still there, but I can't be sure if it's ever been replaced or if there is a remote PMD. Not sure how to look for that.
I bought the truck in the spring so don't know much of these answers below.
Problem: Truck stalls as if no gas, electrics work, no codes.
Demographics:
- Year: 2000
- Truck model and class: k2500
- Automatic or Standard: Automatic
- Mileage: (indicate miles or km) 188,000mi
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc): unknown
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR?: Turbo, not sure about the others
- Ambient outside temp: 60-80F
- What fuel are you using?: #2 and B99, mostly B99 where available
- What fuel additives are you using?: None
- Where are you located?: Portland Oregon
General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter: inspected recently
- Fuel filter: two weeks, 1000 miles ago
- CDR Valve?: unknown
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at: unknown
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at: regular about 6k miles ago
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at: Spring 2010, good charge
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): Spring 2010
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them?: unknown What type?: unknown
- Injectors - last changed at: unknown
History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened?: Cruise control about 65mph
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared?: Yes
- Has this problem ever happened before?: about 10 times since then. I changed the fuel filter and it stopped for 1000 miles or so.
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem: Switch to B99 early summer
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) Yes And? no codes
Diagnostics:
1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? Yes
1b] Does the engine crank over? Yes
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? Yes
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? Yes
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? Yes, about five seconds
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? don't think so, can't remember seeing a glow plug light? For how long? _________
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? briefly, a nice white puff only when cold
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? Yes
2] Fuel Issues (if not running): runs fine, section skipped.
3] PMD / IP Issues
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted): appears to be on pump
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? unknown
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. unknown
3d] PMD Make: unknown
3e] PMD Age: unknown
4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? so far, yes
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) I think only under acceleration, but it can be mild. Stalled tonight backing up into my driveway
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? never any problem restarting after about a minute
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? no, it dies all the way, then I wait a minute and it starts just fine.
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? don't think so, no
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? yes
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? yes
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? check gages and battery icon are lit when engine stalls
5] Running Issues
none, other than stalling
6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? no
6b] Maximum boost under load? unknown
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? no
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? no
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? appears OEM
7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? single
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? unknown
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? unknown
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? unknown
List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.
As I mentioned in the beginning, I switched to B99 in early summer when I bought the truck. It ran fine for about 2000 miles with a mix of B99 and #2. Then just last week on a trip to California, it stalled four time on the freeway with no load. I found a mechanic in Grants Pass who helped me replace the fuel filter (I had not done so since switching to B99) and the problem went away. Drove for another approx 1000 miles with no issues then stalled on my three times in one short ride home. Took it to the mechanic who couldn't find anything wrong, but I don't think they knew what they were doing. I have an appointment in two days with Green Drop Garage (Bio and Veggie specialists) for diagnostic.
