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Missouri Helmet Law going down!

Cowracer

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the senate yesterday passed a bill with a provsion that repealed the missouri helmet law for riders over 21 not riding on interstate hiways.

the bill now goes to the house, where it has passed before.

Looks like we will finally lose the helmet law in this state. :thumbsup:):h:D

Tim
 
Ask my Buddy, sitting in the home, can't talk cause he wiped out and took on the tree with his unhelmeted head. Now my tax dollars pay for him, in addition to his wife having to sell out anything she makes over a set limit. So if nothing else law or not please wear one for your family.
 
I hope NH never starts thinking that the gov't has the right to force you to wear a helmet. BS laws. I never wore one a bike, but I always wear one on my sled or wheeler. It's my choice, and should always be my choice. If you believe that the gov't should be able to order you to wear a helmet, what else do you believe the gov't should be able to order of us "for the greater good"?
 
The last ATV crash I had to respond to, the non-helmet rider died on the way to the hospital. We had to literally push his brain back into his skull as we hauled him up the side of the road to the ambulance. Not exactly something I really wanted to see/do. The helmet rider survived.

Please wear them.
 
trouttrooper said:
The last ATV crash I had to respond to, the non-helmet rider died on the way to the hospital. We had to literally push his brain back into his skull as we hauled him up the side of the road to the ambulance. Not exactly something I really wanted to see/do. The helmet rider survived.

Please wear them.
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Are you saying that it's a good idea to wear them (of your own accord), or that you think it's a good idea to let the gov't decide if we should be required to wear them?
 
good idea to wear them.

IMHO required under 18 years old. After that you're an adult, make your own choices. HOWEVER my thought is if you get a head injury from a crash on a motorcycle, atv, or snowmobile there should be some kind of law that says taxpayers won't foot the medical bills. Maybe even let insurance companies deny claims for those things.

I don't want government telling me what to do, but as a taxpayer I sure as heck don't want my hard earned money going towards taking care of people intentionally making bad decisions.
 
Helmet law around here came into effect in '85. The same year I got my license. I have always used one. I do cross over into the U.S to ride sometimes (North Dakota) and ride without one. I feel naked, but it feels nice going without one.

I think it's a good idea to wear a helmet. Could save your life. Seems like a small inconvenience for a life.
 
trouttrooper said:
good idea to wear them.

IMHO required under 18 years old. After that you're an adult, make your own choices. HOWEVER my thought is if you get a head injury from a crash on a motorcycle, atv, or snowmobile there should be some kind of law that says taxpayers won't foot the medical bills. OK Maybe even let insurance companies deny claims for those things. What about other injuries that happened because of something that someone else may deem unacceptable? Say you were putting up christmas lights and fell off a ladder. Could your insurance company then deny you because you were using your ladder inappropriatly?

I don't want government telling me what to do, but as a taxpayer I sure as heck don't want my hard earned money going towards taking care of people intentionally making bad decisions. I don't either, but I don't think the way around that is legislating away people's freedoms or their rights, or the gov't sticking their noses in anywhere it doesn't belong.
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Given a choice, I would rather have my tax money pay for someone's injuries than some welfare victims 35 children.
 
FL has the "it's your choice" law if you have $10K in personal medical coverage & are over 21.

That said, you will never catch me without one.
 
Just for the record. If not legally required to, I wont be wearing one. Yes, I know all the arguments for wearing one, but I also know that helmet use is only a factor in 14% of motorcycle accidents. There are nearly as many helmeted riders dying as there are helmetless, and many of the helmetless riders would have died just the same wearing a helmet. A helmet is not a guarantee that you will live through a motorcycle crash, despite what the safety nazis think or say.

Many more people are killed in car wreck each year than on motorcycles, but I dont see anyone asking me not to drive, "for the sake of my family". Hell, if we are so hung up on safety, why not legislate manditory helmet use in cars? Surely, wearing a crash helmet in a car will save lives. Thats the goal, right?

Anytime you throw a leg over your motorcycle you offer your life up as sacrifice. I understand this, and fully accept it. I have talked with the wife at length and she understands that were I to die riding, its not a 'tragedy' and I dont want it referred to as such. I went out doing somethign I love and thats a better deal than most people get. To live life in fear of dying is to miss the point of life in the first place.

And before you make the "health care costs" arguement about paying for my vegitative ass, I do have insurance, and even if I didn't, unless they outlaw smoking, nobody has any right at all to limit my freedoms based on potential health care costs to the state.

Tim
 
Im not for helmet seat belt laws myself, it should be everyones choice if they want to die or not IMO. Good for Missouri
 
Cowracer said:
Many more people are killed in car wreck each year than on motorcycles, but I don't see anyone asking me not to drive, "for the sake of my family". Hell, if we are so hung up on safety, why not legislate mandatory helmet use in cars? Surely, wearing a crash helmet in a car will save lives. That's the goal, right?
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I've thought the same thing myself. But if they did that, after a lot of those helmeted drivers started dying of broken necks instead of head injuries, the next thing they'd want to require would be some form of HANS device... and then maybe deaths would be reduced, but there'd be an increase in accidents due to poor visibility during lane changes.

I sure wouldn't ride any bike at "on-road speed" without a helmet, but let's face it - even at 35mph, hitting a car, a tree, or the pavement can cause devastating, potentially life threatening injuries to a cyclist. There is no escape from the long arm of the laws of physics.

We could also step back a little bit further, and look at what has happened in Australia and some Canadian provinces after the government mandated bicycle helmets for everyone, including adult riders, and started enforcing it (as in Australia): adult bicycle ridership went down significantly, which is certainly not helpful in a population where the biggest health epidemic is the chronic diseases caused by obesity.

The "problem" is that every western democracy has some degree of socialism, with policies that ultimately force everyone else to pay at least some of the cost for lifetime care for those who were either stupid, or unlucky, or both. And as much as I dislike any form of socialism, I think that we'd all find a society totally devoid of ANY fall-back last-ditch safety net to be not a very civilized place to live, where simple misfortune forces a lot of people to take extreme actions out of desperation.

I think that Florida's personal injury insurance requirement may not be a bad idea, but $10,000 will barely cover initial triage in an ER these days, much less subsequent surgical treatment.
 
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I'd have to agree with CowRacer. In the five years I was a Vol FF, I saw probably a dozen motorcycle crashes. NONE survived. ALL wore helmets (NY Law). Trouttrouper, there's large difference between an ATV crash and a motorcycle crash; as a general rule (yes, there are exceptions to every rule), motorcycle crashes occur at a higher rate of speed than ATV crashes, thus increasing the injury, and increasing the likelyhood of death. I DO feel that it should be individual choice. Same with seatbelts (I ALWAYS wear a seatbelt, but not becasue it's the law).
 
As devils advocate I think the public that pays for the roads has every right to decide the rules for driving on them through proper legislation where all people are given representation. As they like to say driving is a priveledge and not a birth right, unless you are doing it on your own property I suppose.

My real feelings though are that seatbelts and helmets should be your choice, and that it should reflect on insurance premiums, just as many other factors do.
 
Just an update... Rode 120 miles in Illinois last night, without a helmet.

I did not die.

That is all.

Tim
 
Thats good Tim, I am pro choice about seatbelts and helmets and I amd dang tired of the goverment telling me what I can and can't do......
 
I am a firm believer in let those who ride decide.

You are taking a huge risk every time you get on a motorcycle with or with out a helmet. It's usually not the rider, but the cage driver that says they never saw the motorcycle.

I also believe the Rider of the Motorcycle must make sure his family is or will be taken care of should he get injured, turned into a vegtible or killed. For those reasons, I have a very explicit living will and my wife undersands I want no life support, and such. I have a 1 million in life insurance, I have a million umbrella policy, same with medical.

Do I wear a helmet? Yes, when required by law, which my state does. Yes in States like FL and KY when in a big city. No out on a nice two lane country road.

See wearing or not wearing the lid, is another risk assement, just like getting on the bike to begin with.
 
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