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FASS filtration deception.

Okay, let me say that FASS is extremely easy to deal with on warranty work.

I call, talk to tech, describe the problem, I get parts sent.

FASS ALWAYS refers issues to the vendors. Specifically the selling vendor of the product. Why? Because most of the time issues get resolved right there.

What I'm guessing, is that your "vendor" was not an authorized vendor or was on their black list....or you bought it on ebay.

Who was the vendor? Did they charge you the MAP price? Were they an actual vendor with DPP? My guess is NO, it was likely some guy slinging parts from his bedroom that had a wholesale account with one of the WD's and never even installed one before and couldn't answer squat.

http://fassride.com/FindADealer/tabid/96/Default.aspx

And, let me direct your attention to....

http://fassride.com/CustomerServices/PolicyProcedures/tabid/82/Default.aspx

As for being duped.....I have a funny feeling that is more due to perceptions and forum lore than anything else.

And you're right, I did shut him off. My thread was about a vehicle build, in multiple systems, lots of fabrication, lots of different parts. I WAS NOT going to allow it to be turned into another rant about fuel filters and how the evil empire of FASS and AirDog are tricking people.

Just like this topic, you're looking for straws to pull to achieve your end goal. You're looking for someone that is sympathetic to your cause. You had a grand total of like 19 posts on CF and 16 of those were bashing FASS and AirDog. When you see you're not getting anywhere on it, you turn it into a personal attack or try to bring up something stupid like the current administration or some crap.

You realize the hole is getting deep here, right?
 
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BudTX said:
Cumminalong, I have the FASS 150 in my 2004.5 DMax. What filter do you recommend to replace the stock trash scree/separator?
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Is yours the larger 150/150 or the smaller 95/150?

The larger one is the HD series.

The smaller oner is the Titanium series.

If you have the larger one, then you can use the same filters I have posted earlier. Both the Duramax and the Cummins use the same Bosch pumps and injectors, the only major difference is the electrical connections. Hell, the second CP3 on my truck is from an LBZ Duramax.

Use the HF6604 (3 micron) for the fuel filter and you have a choice of either the FS1000VE (posted earler) or the FS1212 or the Baldwin BF1212. The FS1000VE is rated slightly higher for water separation than the 1212's. It's a 10 micron Stratapore and is rated at 96% water separation. It's also larger than the other 2 and has a higher capacity.

The FASS 150 is EASY to get filters for, as it uses a common thread size, 1 - 14, which is what most filters / separators use. So the choices are plenty. You have choices from Fleetguard, Baldwin, Racor, WIX, etc.

Now, if you have the FASS 95/150 (smaller filters and pump body), you're kind of screwed. The best filter on it is an FF-5712 (3 micron with 83% free water removal, but it doesn't have a drain) but the water separator is limited to the FS19768 (144 micron pre-screen, 0% water separation). Best thing to do here is to add a filter head before the pump with a 1 - 14 thread pitch and add a true water separator on the vacuum side of the pump. Put a filter head on it, add the FS1000VE and you're good.

Now, remember, not a damn bit of this matters if you get a gallon of water in your tank. The filters can only hold so much. Once those filters are full of water, somethings gotta give and water will pass.

No joke, I had a customer with a PowerStroke who was the victim of some young kids practical joke. It was cold out and a couple of the kids (8 years old) told another kid (6 years old) that if you pour water in the fuel tank, it'll spit ice cubes out the tail pipe. Well, come to find out, they poured 2 gallons of water in the tank.....and dad got a $4900 bill. Even the best filter can only hold so much.
 
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SfcJones said:
I wonder if there is a pump I can to my Nicktane....
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Tim if you already have filtration(Nicktane like mine) I would just add a lift pump...I run twin Laing D5 Strong pumps(the quietest IMO) but if you arent pushing a lot of HP, you could run a single...
 
Be sure to watch flow rates if you run high power. The more stuff you add the more restriction you add. Just because one filter is rated at 120 gph doesn't mean you will have 120 when you tie it into a FASS type system that adds two more filters. On top of that you have the fittings, elbows, hose and filter head restrictions.

For moderate power levels just be sure you run 90 gph minimum elements. Personally I think Racor makes the best water filter media. They are the biggest in marine applications. Their 2, 10 and 30 micron filters will flow equally with the same form factor can. The key is filter size. The bigger the filter the more it can pass. The 120 gph Racors are like 14" long with the bowl.
 
SfcJones said:
I wonder if there is a pump I can to my Nicktane....
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With that added filter, all you'd need is a stand alone pump.

Any of the pumps will work fine with it. With the mods you have in your signature, anything more than a 95 or 100 GPH pump would be complete overkill.

Something like a Holley "Blue" would be more than enough. At 9 psi, it's rated at 88 GPH.

http://www.holley.com/12-802-1.asp

If you want a little more than that, a Holley "Black" would give you 120 GPH at 9 psi.

http://www.holley.com/12-815-1.asp

The "Blue" comes with a pressure regulator. The "Black" would need a pressure regulator (~ $30).

Both have max working pressures of 14 psi.....more than enough
 
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BudTX said:
Mine has an HF6601 fuel filter on it, so I assume that it is the 150/150, correct?
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Yes, that's for the 150/150, or the HD Series.

That HF6601 is a 10 micron filter.....a bit too big for the common rail pump and injectors.

Bosch has stated that anything bigger than 7 micron acccelerates the wear on the CP3 and injectors.

The only reason I keep a 6601 on hand for is if I go back home to NY. My truck has no grid heater or fuel heater and these very tight (2 and 3 micron) filters are more likely to plug if the fuel clouds. If that's the case, I can swap in a 6601 for the time being.
 
Pepperidge said:
Tim if you already have filtration(Nicktane like mine) I would just add a lift pump...I run twin Laing D5 Strong pumps(the quietest IMO) but if you arent pushing a lot of HP, you could run a single...
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what source did you use, or could you give me a model number. Thanks
 
Cumminalong said:
FASS ALWAYS refers issues to the vendors. Specifically the selling vendor of the product. Why? Because most of the time issues get resolved right there.

What I'm guessing, is that your "vendor" was not an authorized vendor or was on their black list....or you bought it on ebay.

Who was the vendor? Did they charge you the MAP price? Were they an actual vendor with DPP? My guess is NO, it was likely some guy slinging parts from his bedroom that had a wholesale account with one of the WD's and never even installed one before and couldn't answer squat.

http://fassride.com/FindADealer/tabid/96/Default.aspx
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Feel free to enlighten us here, hoot.

You like to dissect and redirect everything thrown at you, now how about answering the question.

You have this thread copied and pasted here, on CF, on TDR and every place in between with the same crap, so let's here it.

I have a feeling I already know the answer.
 
I'm all over the forums posting about something we should be aware of? I don't see you warning your customers about the lack of filtration FASS provided all these years. I just see you advertising your shop. Why else would you be doing an engine build on a Duramax site but not here or the other Cummins sites? Don't get me wrong, I love the pictures and seeing the work being done but the intention is not what it seems.

He was an authorized vendor and well known. You will not see me calling out vendors on line. At the time other vendors were complaining about FASS warranty policy. That was a few years back when I bought it. We picked out my unit from the catalog. He ordered it. I received it in the box with the address from his distributor. These are things you hear vendors talking about offline and at meets. They, like you, tend to keep that stuff hush. Bad for sales.

Lets get one thing clear. I don't make stuff up to try and harm anyone's business but I don't like being duped by business either.

Now why don't you answer my question you've ignored.

With all of your experience, all of the trucks you've modded...

What documented performance and or mileage have you realized when switching to the FASS/AD product?

Because FASS and AD's big claim is not filtration correct? We know that for a fact. What is their big claim that makes this unit stand out?

Is it simply an overpriced glorified fuel pump with a two position filter head that doesn't fit anywhere and restricts you to only certain filters?

I got it because it looks good in my signature ):h

Seriously, with this post I have to refrain from continuing my rant for the good of this site. I hope some here have learned a few things.
 
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Can't say that I've ever taken a truck and dyno'd after simply adding a new pump.

Because most guys ignore the fact that they need to do supporting mods before they start doing power mods because the stock system can't keep up.

Either that or they replace it when the OEM pump fails.

I can't say I've EVER spent $75 to do 3 dyno pulls after installing nothing more than a pump.

And......let me clarify the build thread on my truck, as again, you like to ignore what is directed at you and try to redirect it to something else that doesn't pertain to a damn thing at hand.....

My truck build is on, ohhhh, let's see.....

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Now, in a much less gentile manner......

I THINK YOU'RE FULL OF CRAP ON YOUR FASS!

YOU BOUGHT IT FROM AN UNAUTHORIZED DEALER, DIDN'T GET A RECEIPT, YOU DIDN'T REGISTER IT, SOMETHING WENT WRONG AND YOU WANTED GOT PISSY WITH THEM FOR ENFORCING THEIR POLICY.

SIMPLE AS THAT.

The options have been presented to you, the fixes have been presented, the alternatives have been presented to you, but you still continue to stomp your feet like a little kid that got his pet unicorn taken away.

Have a day. You're wasting folks time with senseless dribble.

This is why you take guys that are "engineers" and you stick them in rooms with no windows and phone lines that don't reach outside the building. Because, like most "engineers" you lack social skills and the ability to understand things beyond a design perspective. It looks good on paper, so it must be right.

My favorite line when dealing with "engineers"......

Engineers know what it SHOULD do, the pilot knows what it WILL do.
 
hoot said:
What is their big claim that makes this unit stand out?[/B]

Is it simply an overpriced glorified fuel pump with a two position filter head that doesn't fit anywhere and restricts you to only certain filters?

I got it because it looks good in my signature

Seriously, with this post I have to refrain from continuing my rant for the good of this site. I hope some here have learned a few things.
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The folks at FASS and AirDog can probably anwwer those questions for you.

I got a FASS because I researched lift pumps a few years ago and liked the quality, price, warranty and features. It fits my truck and needs just fine, and the filter choices are acceptable to me.

I appreciate your commitment in refraining from continuing a rant that is crossing over from being informative to an attack on a respected supporting vendor here. Let's not let this go in a direction that none of us want.

Thanks,

Bud
 
I THINK YOU'RE FULL OF CRAP ON YOUR FASS!

YOU BOUGHT IT FROM AN UNAUTHORIZED DEALER, DIDN'T GET A RECEIPT, YOU DIDN'T REGISTER IT, SOMETHING WENT WRONG AND YOU WANTED GOT PISSY WITH THEM FOR ENFORCING THEIR POLICY.

SIMPLE AS THAT.
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Not true. He was definitely an authorized dealer. I think he got into a pissin match with FASS right about the time I bought it and quit with them. I think he got tired of doing the warranty work and then getting paid only for the pump. Took too long to get paid. I'm not calling you a liar so don't call me one. It is registered. I submitted the vendors name and they accepted it.

There you go.... no proven hp or mileage benefit. You call that dribble.

No prob Bud. I'm done.
 
SfcJones said:
what source did you use, or could you give me a model number. Thanks
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I used the Laing D5-38 Strong...with brass 1/2 in. NPT

I sourced mine from a plumbing supply warehouse I made a connection with...it costs less and it is the same pumps you see advertised on the TTS website(not truck stop) and the same pump as Kennedy's, except JK had a different head designed for it and relabels it...
 
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Pepperidge said:
I used the Laing D5 Strong...with brass 1/2 in NPT

I sourced mine from a plumbing supply warehouse I made a connection with...it costs less and it is the same pumps you see advertised on the TTS website(not truck stop) and the same pump as Kennedy's, except JK had a different head designed for it and relabels it...
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do you have it installed into the inlet side of the Nicktane
 
SfcJones said:
do you have it installed into the inlet side of the Nicktane
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I have both of mine on the outlet side Tim...but when I relocate my Nicktane to the frame rail I will place one on each side of the filter...:thumbsup:

another reason for that is Steve built me a fuel tank sump, and I feel drawing the fuel up to the nictane filter head up in the rear fenderwell is counter productive to my goals
 
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