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Diesel noise reduction inside the truck

n8in8or

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I was wondering what people have done to reduce the diesel noise inside their trucks. Not the exhaust noise, just the engine noise itself. I'm going to have the engine out of mine soon so I want to do what I can inside the engine compartment while I have it out since it will be easier to do so.

I did some searching on Google and found a little info, but no magic bullet (which probably doesn't exist anyway). What I did find was a highly rated company in the noise reduction world called Raam Audio. Their focus is noise reduction as it relates to the audio world, but I did see some diesel people using their stuff.

I contacted them to see what they would recommend for my application. The first thing they told me was that their products weren't really meant to be used on the outside of the firewall...their stuff is for in the interior. He told me that they don't have a product that would stand up to use in the engine compartment. He told me specifically that it wouldn't last if being off-roaded, so I guess it would be a problem with dirt and such affecting the longevity of the product. When I asked him if he did know of anything that would work there, he told me that a brush-on bedliner product would work well there. He said this would help take care of low frequency noises and then if I applied their product to the inside of the firewall and other interior surfaces it would take care of mid-to-high frequencies. I feel like the IDI clatter we have would be a mid frequency noise, even so, unless I hear something different from you folks I'm planning on applying some brush-on bedliner (like Herculiner) to my firewall and then put the factory mat back in place. Then this summer I'd like to do the Raam Audio products to the inside of the truck to hopefully reduce the noise some more.

What have you guys done that has or hasn't worked? Even failures are helpful because it can help prevent future mistakes for the rest of us. Thanks!
 
Dynamat or similar products.

Floors, doors, firewall right up to the windshield.

Firewall is the biggest offender as the rattly old head chambers are right about belly level and separated from you by a thin layer of body metal and jute backed rubber.

Other than that, you're into timing adjustments.

Advanced tdco makes it very noisy if you've messed with that. Retarding it quiets it down. I run tdco within spec and prefer it on the retard side. I make timing changes in the PCM calibration vice the mechanical bits.
 
The best sound proofing is lead sheeting with non porous foam like sleep bag mats, then there is the aluminum backed with mat or foam should be installed in engine/bonnet bay and inside the firewall and front passenger footwell and all the way to the back, the doors and quarters need it too roof maybe.
 
Here is what I have done so far with minimal but positive results for each:
> Sound deadener: RAAMmat (on the inside) from the firewall to under the second row; RAAM audio also recommends putting it inside the doors (which I have yet to do).

> Programming / IP / OBD-II: Am with GW that tuning plays a role. Got a tune from Heath which actually helps quiet the motor down at low to moderate power when it is warm. Am switching over to a KOJO tune which is supposedly just as quiet. For the OBD-II system, I am a fan of installing the injection pump in the OE position (-0.75 TDCO) and then let the ECM controll the adavnce / retard.

> Interior Carpet: New / thicker carpet from StockInteriors <dot> com

> Air Filter: When I purchased the Burb it had an AFI 'cold' air intake (which was not a closed box). Got a surprise of ~1 - 2 Db drop in drone when I installed a K47 box and custom silicon plumbing.



Here is what I am still planning:
> Exhaust note: 30" FTE resonator as close to the front of the cab as possible (need to get it dry fitted and ceramic coated).

> Hood insulation: Currently I do not have insulation under the hood and am going to give that a try soon.

> Windshield seal: One last (relatively) easy attempt to drop the outside sound is that I am replacing the windshield. Actually, am replacing it as there is a water leak, but have a suspicion that the leak is also allowing additional sound to enter the cab. Will see . . .

> RPM's: Even with all the deadening mods, I truly suspect that the last step to a quiet highway ride is to install an axillary overdrive / gear splitter to drop RPM's so that the engine is not turning 2,200+ RPM (when it starts getting *really* noisy). The OD / splitter will also have a side benefit of keeping the 6.5 in its preferable RPM range of 1,800 at ~70 MPH (with my 3.73 rear).


For less clatter during warm-up, IIRC one of the members over at the Place installed a mod for turning on the GP's immediately after a cold start for ~30 seconds. Reported effect was that it tamped down the cold motor clatter.
 
Obdii does a post glow. Its for running stability mostly. Could be extended in the calibration quite easily and it scales for temperature and voltage.

I don't know if obdi does the same, but I suspect not.
 
Herculiner
IMO I'd not use that product. From what I have seen its very thin and brittle. It tends to dry very hard and so won't deaded the sound (again just MHO). I once owned a spray in bed liner company and would recomend something that gos on thick and stays rubbery when dry. I know Rhino was a brand, also Tuff but they had to be professionaly installed. There are some DYI products that you spray with a drywall hopper gun, but could also be brushed or rolled on that would work great, but I can not think of the brand names right now. Maybe google it?
 
DuraBak naval deck coating IR/UV inhibitors is what I used as a base coating on interior firewall and passenger compartment took a few days to cure and no residual odors.
 
Personally, I don't like any spray in sound deadeners, unless its in an otherwise impossible area. The key to deadning is mass loading.

That's why butyl and asphalt like products do such a good job. Its also why OEM insulation is usually rubber backed jute materials (well, its cheaper too). You will even see the asphalt like pads placed in strategic spots in some vehicles to control panel noise. Mass loading, changes freqs.

You're only going to get it so quiet though...
 
It's starting to feel like I'm wasting my time, money and sanity trying to do something on the firewall. I don't think I'm going to find much of anything for the outside of the firewall that will do a decent job, stay in place in this environment and not cost an enormous amount of money. If I do anything, the best I can hope for I think is step 1 of a multi-step process to try for a small amount of noise reduction.

I did find this stuff though...it's kind of intriguing, and seems like it's worth a try for the price.

http://www.metalshield.com/index.html

I talked to them on the phone and they were very helpful. I may just give it a shot and I can report back with the results. It can be applied with a brush or roller, so I like the ease of application without having to buy special guns or whatever. Oh and it doesn't say so on the website, but the color of it is black, so that's good.
 
Get a Fluid Damper, they cut engine rattle down considerably. Next is run WMO, lol. I know you can't but I just had to say it, :p
 
Get a Fluid Damper, they cut engine rattle down considerably. Next is run WMO, lol. I know you can't but I just had to say it, :p

Oh cool! My Fluid Damper from Leroy just showed up today...I didn't realize it would help engine noise too, I just thought I wouldn't have the noise of a broken crank someday :confused:

What is WMO?
 
Get a Fluid Damper, they cut engine rattle down considerably. Next is run WMO, lol. I know you can't but I just had to say it, :p
Funny you should say that. His Fluid Damper was delivered today and I just bought my water meth system 5 minutes ago.
 
You buy miro-ballons which is used in resins it the same thing and mix it in any paint you like and as think as you like and roll on.

They sell that stuff too, but the paint they have it mixed in sounds pretty top-notch, kinda like POR 15. And a gallon costs about what a quart of POR 15 is costing now....so it may be a good thing to try regardless.
 
The best sound proofing is lead sheeting with non porous foam like sleep bag mats, then there is the aluminum backed with mat or foam should be installed in engine/bonnet bay and inside the firewall and front passenger footwell and all the way to the back, the doors and quarters need it too roof maybe.

I've been thinking about what you said here....I wonder if there is an adhesive strong enough to hold lead sheets vertically on the firewall. I see you can by 1/16 x 12 x 12 lead sheets on Amazon. First glue closed-cell foam to the firewall then form and glue the lead to the foam. I just know if it will stay in place though. Again, probably way more trouble, money and grief than it's worth.

Another thing I'm thinking is to put that DEI shielding that you used on your airbox over this Metalshield paint. Did you notice a reduction in intake noise at all? Of course I suppose you wouldn't be able to tell over the diesel clatter and turbo whistle :rolleyes:
 
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