Brute force or grizzly

[NAR]

Hmm I ride with several brutes that have been beaten up a lot and no problems. One has even been drowned badly and rolled down a hill and still runs good. The only bad thing about it is not being EFI, which is why I bought an 08 that is. My friend sells can ams and sold himself an 08 800XT. It's nice for sure, but it doesn't do any better than my 08 750 kawasaki. I've gone every place he has, sometimes a little harder, sometimes easier. One thing I find interesting, the front locker in the can am is great, if you always go full throttle everywhere. But when we did low speed rock crawling stuff, he had the get on the throttle a ton to get it to lock, which isn't always a good idea. I can just hold my diff lock and crawl as slow as I need to. The can am actually hits things worse underneath because of where the winch is mounted and it's lower frame. I can nose up to a vertical face and climb it, where he slams his winch into it first. Things that just brush my skidplate he bangs the winch on, and sometimes the entire frame.

And yes I rode his before I bought the 750. It just wasn't $3000 better.

 

[Unit453]

Its gotta have nuts though. What did it feel like vs the 750? Here I thought my Rincon was rather torquey...

 

[Louisianarebel]

Its gotta have nuts though. What did it feel like vs the 750? Here I thought my Rincon was rather torquey...

Only thing that impresses me about the brute is it pops the front up whenever you want to. My rincon has went everywhere the brutes have so far. I just get there with more gas and less noise.

 

[NAR]

Oh it does have nuts. I'm not sure about one right out of the box though, cause his shop puts lighter clutch weights on and retunes them before they sell them. He says that bone stock it doesn't rev as fast as it does now. The way it is it revs fast, almost 2 strokish fast. He can pull the front end off the ground a little easier than I can, but we can both wheelie quite well. Overall the can am is a great machine, I just find the kawasaki to be just as good where we ride and a few thousand cheaper. When we raced them, 08 750, 06 750, 08 800, they were pretty much all the same accelleration wise, 06 just a tad slower because of no EFI. 800 had a higher top end, but really I hardly ever hit my top end unless I ride it to town anyway. And that is with the 800 on stock tires, both 750s with more aggressive tires that took some acceleration away. Mine are a size bigger than the 06 has, and I am still a little faster acceleration wise, EFI is awesome.

We went on a ride in the mountains sponsered by his shop. It was fun showing up there with 3 brute force 750s to ride with him. We saw their shop's demo bike totalled by a moron employee that day. I was not impressed with the way the a-arms came off the frame, considering how he slid it into a dirt wall. I've done about the same thing to a bayou 220 and it was fine, a 800 that costs almost 4 times as much is totalled? My friend said that if you get one you better get the full aluminum skidplate set because they made the frame to be light, not strong. He's seen some that just got skidded over a rock or log ruin the frame. That was the first thing he put on his, and then a power commander and a pipe. He's pretty dissapointed about the power gain from those, I wouldn't bother with them.

 

[Unit453]

I've read those pipes dont do anything at all. I've actually come across dyno's where they put it in before and after the pipes were installed and it made zero difference. I'd rather keep them tame personally. Lotta noise drives me nuts. I've also heard that the stock intakes flow well enough and filter better than any aftermarket filter out there. I'd be interested to see what a programmer does though on an otherwise stock machine.

 

[hillbillydmax]

thanks for the info guys:thumbsup:

 

[Max Attitude]

Did you decide what one you're getting?

 

[hillbillydmax]

Looking very serious at the can-am outlanders. local dealer really needs to git rid of some inventory):h

 

[DieselS10]

yes I have also herd the" sportsman 850 " is fast, after looking at all brands
I am leaning to a outlander 800xt ):h. any can-am riders out there ?

I have a base Outlander 800 and I absolutely love it. I read alot about the power steering thing, but mine steers so easy now I can't imagine why it would need it and mine has 26" Holeshot ATR's on it which are far wider than the stockers. It rides great and will stretch your arms when you throttle it. I've only raced a few thing with it, a Polaris Predator, a KFX 700, and an '05 Mustang GT. The predator gave it the closest run, but it would take it to about 60.

When I went to the dealer I had every intension of getting a 650i Brute Force and no intension of even looking at a Can-Am, I had already looked at the retail price of them online. I rode the 650i, then the 750 Brute, then the salesman asked if I had considered the Can-Am and I told him they cost to much. He said that I should at least ride it for comparison sake,......... I did. Then my dad rode it and sold his Praire 650 and got one, then his Buddy got one, and now my other buddy wants one.

 

[CAT MAN]

get the Gizz the power steering is awesome or if you looking at can ams get the 800 thats one mean machine dont get the 400 dad has it and the tranmisson shifts so dang hard it broke the shifter no lie.. the 800 dont seem to have that prob though..

 

[RI Chevy Silveradoman]

What's all with the Kawasaki WHINE from the belt that I hear? I understand they are the only ones that do it. I also hear that the belts are giving out under hard riding conditions at 1200-1500 miles. I saw one getting towed out by another Brute750 the other day. The guy was pissed! new machine with about 1200 miles. He said he heard of others having the same issue.

 

[GMCYA]

If you have not already I would do some reading at atvnationdotcom. Look and compare problems with each. Not that it means crap what I think but I tend to see what Louisianarebel is saying. We have alot of bikes that ride the nasty swamps with us and I see 'em all. My old 98 foreman 450s is still drinking the swamp water so I have no need right now for a new one but I still ask questions about durability and this is what I hear first hand:

3 of the BF's that ride with us have aftermarket rebuilt engines. The power is bad ass but they have been gutted. The other 2 are having minor issues. We have one that is just ridiculous. Don't remember who did the engine but it has gorilla swingarms and axles. Damn near need a ladder to get on it.

The grizzly's are still tugging along not too far behind the BF's. Not many complaints from the drivers.

The CA's only complaint is the factory ride height. For such a nice bike they seem to sit a lil low but have enough umph to bulldoze their way through the mud. As for dependability, I have not seen or had anyone break down on a ride.

No one rides a suzuki or BB so I have no idea how they hold up.

There are 2 AC's that are seeming to be holding their own.

No one rides polaris bikes anymore either but we do have one nice ranger that rides and I have yet to see it struggle at anything we have gone through. He usually pushes me out. To my surprise, one really nice razor is just plain unstoppable. If it had a bigger utility bed I would consider one. Just too sporty for me.

The hondas, well it is a honda. while not the fastest through the rough stuff they still just keep going and going. Some of the most abused bikes in the rides are the older 300 4X4's that are still choking on muddy water. Snorkeled and the bike disappears crossing the slough's, they are still amazing lil machines. My 450s has had it's share of parts and now is starting to smoke, it has never left me stranded on a ride. I hate to replace it but I am afraid all of the minor issues have finally snowballed and she can not stand to swallow much more swamp juice. I am not sure what honda's biggest bike is called but there is one that is lifted running some big tires and I have yet to see it stop.

My next toy will be a lifted rhino with a snorkel kit. We did my buddies and it is amazing. I like the functionality and the ability to play.

Here is a pic of the ranger and the snorkled 300 on one of the high ground resting stops.

Here is my dinosaur.

 

[NAR]

My 750 belt only whines if I sit there in gear quite a while, because it's tight. If it gets looser it won't, but who sits there in gear all the time? That would be like sitting there in drive all the time on the truck, I don't do that either. Unless you mean the belt noise when riding, which isn't much, about like every other belt drive atv I have ever tried, including yamaha, can am and polaris. Funny how many posts on youtube I have seen where guys think their can am has a turbo because of that noise...

The belts need checked and adjusted around 100 hours/1100 1200 miles. If you don't and the deflection gets too much they throw a switch that puts them in limp mode. They just need maintenance occasionally. We've been riding a lot with my 750, 2 older 750s, and a can am 800. They have all been pulled hard and stuck good, high speed and low range hillclimbing. I can't really say there was much difference except the FI on mine and the can am were much nicer for elevation changes.