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Any one know Deutz diesel ? I need help

Acesneights1 said:
The good thing is that these engines are basically like motor cycle engines. The cylinder is like a jug so it can be replaced regardless of damage.
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yea i know,i've rebuild quite a few back in the old country,from 1 to 6 cyl short and long strokes.
We used them to power standby generators ,small and big.
 
well I tore into it tonight. Not bad so far. It came apart very easily. I positioned it in the garage sideway so I could get more hieght with the loader arms to work on the engine. I chopped some 3x3 angled and laid it on the rams as safety stops. So far I believe the rod is ok. The piston at TDC looks like it's where it's supposed to be. I'm not even so sure the crack was the reaosn for the compressionleak. It doesn't seem to go into the head where the valves are. it looks like I might have gotten away with just a new washer for the injector. The injector looks beat up from leaking compression. I'm going to send it out. I'm going to change the head anyway rather than chance it since it's off. I think it may have cracked from overheating. Unfortunatley there are no guages in this machine and the electric fan for the hydrualic cooler appears to be broken and the cooling area for the oil lines where the engine fan pulls from was packed solid with mouse bedding. i want to kill those little f'ers so bad I can't wait for my two new cats to come home tommorow. I'll try to snap some pics tommorow . I got so into tearing it apart I didn't fetch the camera. The thing that has me nervous is checking the piston to head clearence properly. There is very little margin for error. it says to use a piece of tin solder on the dome of the piston to check clearence sort of like a plasticguage I guess. I hope I get this right.
 
Kenny, I can relate to the little critters inhabiting equipment as winter temps cool. Not uncommon to notice little scratches start to appear on exh manifold heat shields, etc., as the weather gets cooler. Their claws don't grip the steel so well, but they're tenacious.

We've used mothballs to keep mice out of/off of equipment that sets over winter. Quite effective - would guess because they don't like the smell. Just have to remember to remove them, & open the windows a day or so before you're gonna spend much time in the cab again.

Don't know if there's a location near enough to where you found the mouse nest where you could set a couple mothballs & the location wouldn't get too hot & quickly vaporize the mothballs?

Figured it couldn't hurt to mention it.
 
Kenny, idont think you have to worry about the piston/head clearance as long as you re use the cilinder liner with the original shim ,if there was any. as ar as i know the headgaskets are all the same thickness.
I told ye these damn aircooled motors dont take kindly to plugging.:nonod:
You'll have to take the cooling shroud off and have a peek before using the critter.

Good luck with killing the cute little mices:smile5:
 
Thanks.
Yeah they are so cute I took baby ones I found while my wife watched in horror and smashed the little bastards with a shovel. Mini Rats that's all they are. The new head is used and has been possibly milled. So would that mean I can still just drop it on ? The guy at Deutz told me to play it safe and measure it. He said a few different thickness headgaskets are available rather than lift the jug off. I'm not going to get it together today anyway. The injector looks ugly. I'm sending it to them tommorow to be checked out.
 
well,if the head is milled down,Do you know how much?
Cause that alters the valve to piston clearance.
in that case the diff has to be added by a shim under the liner or a thicker gasket under the head.

I'll send PETA to ye, you mices killer:D
 
Acesneights1 said:
Thanks.
Yeah they are so cute I took baby ones I found while my wife watched in horror and smashed the little bastards with a shovel. Mini Rats that's all they are. The new head is used and has been possibly milled. So would that mean I can still just drop it on ? The guy at Deutz told me to play it safe and measure it. He said a few different thickness headgaskets are available rather than lift the jug off. I'm not going to get it together today anyway. The injector looks ugly. I'm sending it to them tommorow to be checked out.
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I found a bunch of baby mice and threw them in the fire....they were toast pretty quick.
 
gasket thickness

i have done several of these engines as they are very common in construction equipment,the head shimes come in different thicknesses but don't worry just use a piece of solder it will work no problems i would not remove cylindre,just check head clearence,good luck
 
ON to a new problem. The old head didn't use a headgasket. When you sit it on the cyl it is basically the same height as the other heads. The new head sits about a 1/16 lower than the other heads and if I use a head gasket it sits the same as the other heads. I did not get to do the squish test yet because the spec is in mm and I don't own a metric caliper or micrometer so I ordered one and am waiting for it. The pages from the TM the guy sent said earlier models didn't have a headgasket so the head must be later model. Any issue using a later model head w/ gasket or will it not matter as long as I get pston to head clearance to spec of 1-1.2 mm ? Deutz makes headgasket shims as well. I don't want to disturb the cyl jug.
 
i have never tried this i always used the proper heads, the ones without head gaskets were shimed bellow the jug the same procedure is used but shims at bottom of jugs were exchange for proper clearance and i always used valve lapping compound to make sure the head seals properly on the cylindre as there is no gasket,i will try to call one of my friends tomorow he comes from germany and owns a small diesel shop if anyone knows he will
 
1mm = .039", 1.2mm = .047"
Stone the surfaces nice and clean and flat Kenny, you should be good if your clearance is correct.
 
Acesneights1 said:
I hate to say this but I strongly suspect ether caused this. I couldn't get it started and it was cold and obviusly a block heater is out of the question so I gave it a small shot. I think this was the result. The only #s I could find on the motor were:
F3-6L 912/W
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if you need any of this, let me know:

http://cgi.ebay.de/Ersatzteilliste-DEUTZ-Motor-F-3-6-L-912-912-W-/370326927866

http://cgi.ebay.de/Betriebsanleitun...0404?IMSfp=TL1004041310002r4813#ht_500wt_1182

http://www.alte-laster-listen.de/index.php?http://www.alte-laster-listen.de/de/artikel/main.php?anz_kat_1=3&anz_kat_2=10&anz_kat_3=30&PHPSESSID=80cd750ef84af9546aa700110457d846

you can also find these on ed2k i bet.
 
Thanks. I got everything from a dealer on Long Island. engine is back together and running fine. Just repairing some other neglected issues with it while it's laid up.
 
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