ThatGuy
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Explain your problem in concise language (ie: Cranks but won’t fire).
cranks, fires occasionally, difficult to stay running for longer than one to 5 minutes
Demographics: tell us about your truck and your ambient conditions:
- Year: 1995
- Truck model and class (ie: c2500) c2500
- Automatic
- Mileage: 331k
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc) no mods, recently replaced fuel filter in fuel manager
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR? turbo
- Ambient outside temp: (indicate *C or *F) around 60? estimated. (east of pittsburgh)
- What fuel are you using? (#1 Diesel, #2 Diesel, Bio, VO, WVO, etc) get go diesel. unsure of different types
- What fuel additives are you using? none habitually, I added 2 cans of seafoam to a full tank (42 gal) 3 months ago.
- Where are you located? 100 miles east of pittsburgh pa
General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter 3 months old
- Fuel filter 3 months old then today
- CDR Valve? no
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at NA
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at: 15w40 3 months old
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at : charged today
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): today
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them? no idea. may be original What type? __no idea__
- Injectors - last changed at __no idea
History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened?
First warning signs were slight hesitation while driving, felt like one cylinder missed or I hit the brakes hard very quickly but the deceleration was to fast. this happened maybe once every 15 mile trip to work if that. This then progressed to the car stalling or cutting out like
this
or this persons problems.
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared? There were no problems whatsoever before the first sign.
- Has this problem ever happened before? Not to my knowledge. I have had this vehicle for a little longer than 3 months.
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem. as far as I know, my father did not keep the gas tank filled for the 3-5 years that he had it. I have since kept the tank filled when I could but it has run close to empty (3-4 gallons left) once or twice. I filled the tank the day before it quit for good.
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) no And? ________
Diagnostics:
1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? _sometimes._
1b] Does the engine crank over? _yes_
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? yes
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? _yes_
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? I have not seen that light at all
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? _yes, 4 seconds give or take. The time decreases if i have attempted to start it previously.
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? white for a short moment.
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? yes
2] Fuel Issues (if not running): I changed the filter in the filter manager and I must have not secured it correctly as when I attempted starting it, fuel poured out from under the cap. It is now tight.
2a] Can you hear your lift pump working? _yes____
2b] Do you get a steady flow of fuel from the water drain (T-handle) ? I have not checked that yet.
2c] Loosen the inlet line from the IP – is fuel coming out (Lift Pump on)? _I am unsure what the IP is.
2d] Loosen an injector line and crank the engine - does fuel come out? _I have not tried that yet
2e] Do you hear a vacuum (hiss) when you remove the fuel cap? _yes but I have not checked since my last fill up.
3] PMD / IP Issues unsure what that means.
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted) _______unsure____
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? _______NA__
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. ______Unsure___ I know there is one ground strap near the front passenger wheel well that is broken. I have been unable to fix this yet.
3d] PMD Make: _____Unsure of what this is___
3e] PMD Age: _____________
4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? __temperature independant__
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) _not to my understanding
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? __I have not tried this yet
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? __It used to be. now it is permanent.
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? _Yes
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? ____No CC___
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? _________
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? ____SES light illuminates, now I am seeing the service throttle soon light. this is new__
5] Running Issues
5a] On cold start, does upper rad hose get hard before engine warms up? _not sure______
5b] Any bubbles or oil film in coolant overflow tank? ____Unsure will verify tomorrow morning___
5c] Any white slime on oil surfaces (dipstick, CDR, oil Fill cap)? ___no___
5d] Excessive white smoke from exhaust on cold start? _____no____
5e] Excessive black smoke from exhaust under hard acceleration? _______I am unsure what is deemed excessive. this is my first diesel I would say yes, but have no experience to back this up___
6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? _____no______
6b] Maximum boost under load? ____________
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? ______no________
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? _________no_______
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? ______vacuum I was told there was a problem with my wastegate engaging
7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? ___unsure_________
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? ___no______
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? ______no______
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? ___no_____
7e] (winter) Have you tested your antifreeze? Good to what temp? ______no____
7f] (winter) Are you using a winter grille cover? _____no______
List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.
I have tried some of the methods of testing described in the above mentioned posts. When the engine stalls, I open the valve on the filter manager and hear the release of air. (unsure of suction or over pressure) after I do this, the engine will start mre readily, but dies very quickly. I tried opening the valve again and I hear more air. this seems to indicate the problem is building up quickly.
Last night, when I was driving home, it stalled out a few times and I was able to restart it while coasting, but it eventually disabled the vehicle. it was towed home. I changed the fuel manager filter, completely different style. (original and first replacement when I bought it) had a metal cap with white plastic knob/valve and a cap ring that held it down. this new one is all black plastic with the element protruding and a flat rubber ring as a gasket. It was secured incorrectly once, then correctly a second time. the element looked clean, yellowish but free of debris. I was informed of an inline filter on the rail and plan on changing this tomorrow morning but I am unsure if this will stop the air in the filter manager. I have recently had an issue with my brake line blowing out. I replaced this line but I may have accidentally bent or disturbed this line when removing the brake line as they are very close and share a mounting bracket. I was originally worried that my fuel supply was being interrupted but now that i am aware of the air issue, I have other thoughts. I could use any suggestions you may have.
cranks, fires occasionally, difficult to stay running for longer than one to 5 minutes
Demographics: tell us about your truck and your ambient conditions:
- Year: 1995
- Truck model and class (ie: c2500) c2500
- Automatic
- Mileage: 331k
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc) no mods, recently replaced fuel filter in fuel manager
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR? turbo
- Ambient outside temp: (indicate *C or *F) around 60? estimated. (east of pittsburgh)
- What fuel are you using? (#1 Diesel, #2 Diesel, Bio, VO, WVO, etc) get go diesel. unsure of different types
- What fuel additives are you using? none habitually, I added 2 cans of seafoam to a full tank (42 gal) 3 months ago.
- Where are you located? 100 miles east of pittsburgh pa
General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter 3 months old
- Fuel filter 3 months old then today
- CDR Valve? no
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at NA
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at: 15w40 3 months old
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at : charged today
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): today
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them? no idea. may be original What type? __no idea__
- Injectors - last changed at __no idea
History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened?
First warning signs were slight hesitation while driving, felt like one cylinder missed or I hit the brakes hard very quickly but the deceleration was to fast. this happened maybe once every 15 mile trip to work if that. This then progressed to the car stalling or cutting out like
this
or this persons problems.
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared? There were no problems whatsoever before the first sign.
- Has this problem ever happened before? Not to my knowledge. I have had this vehicle for a little longer than 3 months.
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem. as far as I know, my father did not keep the gas tank filled for the 3-5 years that he had it. I have since kept the tank filled when I could but it has run close to empty (3-4 gallons left) once or twice. I filled the tank the day before it quit for good.
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) no And? ________
Diagnostics:
1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? _sometimes._
1b] Does the engine crank over? _yes_
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? yes
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? _yes_
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? I have not seen that light at all
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? _yes, 4 seconds give or take. The time decreases if i have attempted to start it previously.
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? white for a short moment.
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? yes
2] Fuel Issues (if not running): I changed the filter in the filter manager and I must have not secured it correctly as when I attempted starting it, fuel poured out from under the cap. It is now tight.
2a] Can you hear your lift pump working? _yes____
2b] Do you get a steady flow of fuel from the water drain (T-handle) ? I have not checked that yet.
2c] Loosen the inlet line from the IP – is fuel coming out (Lift Pump on)? _I am unsure what the IP is.
2d] Loosen an injector line and crank the engine - does fuel come out? _I have not tried that yet
2e] Do you hear a vacuum (hiss) when you remove the fuel cap? _yes but I have not checked since my last fill up.
3] PMD / IP Issues unsure what that means.
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted) _______unsure____
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? _______NA__
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. ______Unsure___ I know there is one ground strap near the front passenger wheel well that is broken. I have been unable to fix this yet.
3d] PMD Make: _____Unsure of what this is___
3e] PMD Age: _____________
4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? __temperature independant__
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) _not to my understanding
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? __I have not tried this yet
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? __It used to be. now it is permanent.
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? _Yes
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? ____No CC___
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? _________
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? ____SES light illuminates, now I am seeing the service throttle soon light. this is new__
5] Running Issues
5a] On cold start, does upper rad hose get hard before engine warms up? _not sure______
5b] Any bubbles or oil film in coolant overflow tank? ____Unsure will verify tomorrow morning___
5c] Any white slime on oil surfaces (dipstick, CDR, oil Fill cap)? ___no___
5d] Excessive white smoke from exhaust on cold start? _____no____
5e] Excessive black smoke from exhaust under hard acceleration? _______I am unsure what is deemed excessive. this is my first diesel I would say yes, but have no experience to back this up___
6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? _____no______
6b] Maximum boost under load? ____________
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? ______no________
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? _________no_______
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? ______vacuum I was told there was a problem with my wastegate engaging
7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? ___unsure_________
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? ___no______
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? ______no______
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? ___no_____
7e] (winter) Have you tested your antifreeze? Good to what temp? ______no____
7f] (winter) Are you using a winter grille cover? _____no______
List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.
I have tried some of the methods of testing described in the above mentioned posts. When the engine stalls, I open the valve on the filter manager and hear the release of air. (unsure of suction or over pressure) after I do this, the engine will start mre readily, but dies very quickly. I tried opening the valve again and I hear more air. this seems to indicate the problem is building up quickly.
Last night, when I was driving home, it stalled out a few times and I was able to restart it while coasting, but it eventually disabled the vehicle. it was towed home. I changed the fuel manager filter, completely different style. (original and first replacement when I bought it) had a metal cap with white plastic knob/valve and a cap ring that held it down. this new one is all black plastic with the element protruding and a flat rubber ring as a gasket. It was secured incorrectly once, then correctly a second time. the element looked clean, yellowish but free of debris. I was informed of an inline filter on the rail and plan on changing this tomorrow morning but I am unsure if this will stop the air in the filter manager. I have recently had an issue with my brake line blowing out. I replaced this line but I may have accidentally bent or disturbed this line when removing the brake line as they are very close and share a mounting bracket. I was originally worried that my fuel supply was being interrupted but now that i am aware of the air issue, I have other thoughts. I could use any suggestions you may have.
