Acesneights1
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I think you have a glowplug issue. If it were drainback/loss of prime there would be no smoke.
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Glow troubleshooting from carter pump thread
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I think you have a glowplug issue. If it were drainback/loss of prime there would be no smoke.
DieselSlug
Well-Known Member
I wonder why.. The G/P's are all duraterms replaced last fall, the only thing old is the G/P relay. But i have a chip installed, and it has an extended glow cycle. My light functions as it should? Woder if any of the G/P terminals have slid off the plugs? There is a little misfiring on a cylinder or so once in a while on very cold starts..
Turbine Doc
Just Another Diesel Guy
If glow relay wasn't replaced check it with a meter for output.
Even with extended glow time and dash light is indicating the relay is cycling, if the relays internal output contacts are possibly bad it may not be sending full juice or any juice for that matter to the glows,
As good as duraterms are they also go bad,
Another possibility has recently been seen by a few folks the glow harness itself may be bad, if that is the case, you are in luck Bruce aka Racedaymechanic is selling a very fine replacement harness here.
Even with extended glow time and dash light is indicating the relay is cycling, if the relays internal output contacts are possibly bad it may not be sending full juice or any juice for that matter to the glows,
As good as duraterms are they also go bad,
Another possibility has recently been seen by a few folks the glow harness itself may be bad, if that is the case, you are in luck Bruce aka Racedaymechanic is selling a very fine replacement harness here.
DieselSlug
Well-Known Member
Thanks Tim. During lunch today i will do some searching here on what voltages and readings the G/P relay and each G/P wire terminal should be putting out. Then when i get a chance i can diagnose my system.
Thx great white, The clamp has the end curled under to turn under the sharp edge. The clamp has been on and off for the air checks.
Going to tear this lift pump down and perhaps see why I am eating so many pumps. This one has more #2 and very little B99 in it's diet.
:hijacked:
Pull a plug out, hook it to a good ground and light the GP system. Then you can watch how well it heats up. Check it's voltages and compare to the other plugs. A voltage drop test across the controller terminals will show you if the solenoid contacts are burned and not conducting well. The controller supply wire can also have issues at the main junction.
http://flashoffroad.com/Diesel/GlowPlug/DieselGlowplug.htm
Going to tear this lift pump down and perhaps see why I am eating so many pumps. This one has more #2 and very little B99 in it's diet.
:hijacked:
Pull a plug out, hook it to a good ground and light the GP system. Then you can watch how well it heats up. Check it's voltages and compare to the other plugs. A voltage drop test across the controller terminals will show you if the solenoid contacts are burned and not conducting well. The controller supply wire can also have issues at the main junction.
http://flashoffroad.com/Diesel/GlowPlug/DieselGlowplug.htm
Turbine Doc
Just Another Diesel Guy
Rather than continuing the dilution of the Carter Pump thread via hijack I moved relevant posts here Thanks for the glow TS link WW
DieselSlug
Well-Known Member
Turbine Doc
Just Another Diesel Guy
That is for another thread 
IP RF filter used in the early DS4 years most folks just remove them they can cause no start issues as well
IP RF filter used in the early DS4 years most folks just remove them they can cause no start issues as well
DieselSlug
Well-Known Member
That is for another thread
Ahh, just thought he said it helped his cold starts alot. Im going to print off the trouble shoot from warwagon to see what my output is from the relay, i do have another relay around, but i think i broke a post off it or something (came off my severely rusted engine) I will try to get a video of the truck, the way its starts n' such prolly tomorrow.
When i first rebuilt the engine i had some smoky start issues, but they cleared up with the longer glow cycles. But now since i have my Jeep as a daily driver (to save the truck from rust, except for when i have to plow) the truck may sit for a week or two at a time.
iamdave0887
Here Comes Chaos.....
Might want to look over the wires and connections on your GPs.
A friend of mine has a 97 6.5T that's a plow truck. I went to figure out why it stalled a few times and lost power on him the other day and had to cold start it. IT smoked and shook like a mother. I thought the crank was broke with the way it was shaking so violently. The smoke and shaking cleared up pretty quick, so i knew it was glowplugs.
Looked over the harness, found one wire that melted from the inside out and the wire itself busted in 1/2. The insulation was the only thing making the connection from harness to GP(there's one dead hole when cold). Found at least 2 more on the other side that the salt had rotted the connections off(at least 2 dead holes there too). I couldn't see the rest of the harness but i have a feeling there's more damage that i can't see. This truck's GP harness was in perfect shape less than a year ago when I last worked on the truck. Can't even tell it's been that short of a time.
DS with your rig being a plow truck odds are that the same thing could've happened to the harness, especially if it's the original harness from the old rusty motor.
A friend of mine has a 97 6.5T that's a plow truck. I went to figure out why it stalled a few times and lost power on him the other day and had to cold start it. IT smoked and shook like a mother. I thought the crank was broke with the way it was shaking so violently. The smoke and shaking cleared up pretty quick, so i knew it was glowplugs.
Looked over the harness, found one wire that melted from the inside out and the wire itself busted in 1/2. The insulation was the only thing making the connection from harness to GP(there's one dead hole when cold). Found at least 2 more on the other side that the salt had rotted the connections off(at least 2 dead holes there too). I couldn't see the rest of the harness but i have a feeling there's more damage that i can't see. This truck's GP harness was in perfect shape less than a year ago when I last worked on the truck. Can't even tell it's been that short of a time.
DS with your rig being a plow truck odds are that the same thing could've happened to the harness, especially if it's the original harness from the old rusty motor.
DieselSlug
Well-Known Member
That is very possible, i checked it all over when i replaced the engine. But thats bee a little over a year ago. So maybe a wire is chafed somewhere. If we get some warmer weather I can get out and check it over.
iamdave0887
Here Comes Chaos.....
It's got to be freezing cold up there. It's been 20-25*F here and 30 at the warmest. Forecast says ~15-18 inches of snow tonight into tomorrow on top of the foot we've already got. It's not the snow piles that bug me, the blazer couldn't care less about snow . It's all the morons on the road causing accidents and being idiots in the snow and tailgating others. The stupidity never ceases to amaze me, and it gets worse every year.
. It's all the morons on the road causing accidents and being idiots in the snow and tailgating others. The stupidity never ceases to amaze me, and it gets worse every year.
DieselSlug
Well-Known Member
It's got to be freezing cold up there. It's been 20-25*F here and 30 at the warmest. Forecast says ~15-18 inches of snow tonight into tomorrow on top of the foot we've already got. It's not the snow piles that bug me, the blazer couldn't care less about snow
Yea, the warmest its gotten here within the last few weeks has been 20F. I like the snow, but ive got some big plans for the truck this year, when your garage is 4-5 bays, is not insulated and all you have is a kerosene heater.. Like peeing in the ocean..lol. I want to get workin' on it since i have a third car now.
DieselSlug
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Ok, did a cold start video about 4:20 AM this morning. The truck has not been touched for about 3 days. The temperature in the garage is about 23.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2A0GBDuFG0
So, its really not a "hard" start, it does fire right off. Just is smoky and skips a few times on a cylinder. But when the temp is more like 0, and the truck sits outside it will not fire. Has to be plugged in when outside. Sorry for my heavy breathing, ive had a nasty head cold for about a week. Then a little shot of the snow i was about to plow..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2A0GBDuFG0
So, its really not a "hard" start, it does fire right off. Just is smoky and skips a few times on a cylinder. But when the temp is more like 0, and the truck sits outside it will not fire. Has to be plugged in when outside. Sorry for my heavy breathing, ive had a nasty head cold for about a week. Then a little shot of the snow i was about to plow..
Jorge6.5
Well-Known Member
Did you ever resolve the issue? If so what was the fix? My truck sounds similar on cold starts but still starts up pretty quick no matter how cold it is