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2nd Opinions on Stalling...

TurboTahoe

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Hi gang,

I'm thinking that my FSD (remote mounted) may be dying. I've filled out the checklist. What do you guys think?

Thanks,

Rob :)

6.5 Engine Diagnostic Troubleshooting Checklist


Problem: Explain your problem in concise language (ie: Cranks but won’t fire). Stalls intermittently while running

Demographics: tell us about your truck and your ambient conditions: Mild Fall/Winter Weather. Pacific Northwest. Stock 99 Suburban as seen in sig, except for remote FSD.

- Year: 1999
- Truck model and class (ie: c2500) K2500
- Automatic or Standard: Automatic
- Mileage: (indicate miles or km) 120K miles
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc) All stock except the relocated FSD. It has a Kennedy remote wiring harness with an SS Diesel heat sink mounted to the underside of the front bumper.
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR? F engine Turbo
- Ambient outside temp: (indicate *C or *F) 40-50 degrees F
- What fuel are you using? (#1 Diesel, #2 Diesel, Bio, VO, WVO, etc) #2 diesel
- What fuel additives are you using? Gallon of B99 in each tank.
- Where are you located? Pacific NW USA

General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter Clean
- Fuel filter Clean. Changed 1000 miles ago
- CDR Valve? Clean, working.
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at 2 years ago
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at: Change every 3000 miles, using Delo400LE 15/40 Diesel-rated with Fram HP4 filter.
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at: New batteries, replaced as a pair exactly 12 months ago.
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): I cleaned and tightened these last year when changing out batteries. All grounds look good.
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them? I think they are original to the vehicle. What type? Not sure...
- Injectors - last changed at: Never changed.


History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened? Just started, pulling out of the parking spot. Idling at the stoplight. Moving slowly on the parking lot.
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared? YES
- Has this problem ever happened before? NO
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem. I'm thinking it might be that the FSD is dying, or the connections are bad. I did take the connectors off, sprayed them with DeoxIt, and reconnected them a couple of times (on both ends). But it's still stalling. Therefore, I think it's the FSD itself.
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) NO And? ________


Diagnostics:

1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? YES
1b] Does the engine crank over? YES
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? YES
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? YES
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? WTS comes on normally. Starts normally.
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? N/A For how long? _________
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? Didn't check.
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? YES

2] Fuel Issues (if not running):
2a] Can you hear your lift pump working? ____________
2b] Do you get a steady flow of fuel from the water drain (T-handle) ? _________
2c] Loosen the inlet line from the IP – is fuel coming out (Lift Pump on)? ___________
2d] Loosen an injector line and crank the engine - does fuel come out? _________
2e] Do you hear a vacuum (hiss) when you remove the fuel cap? ___________

3] PMD / IP Issues
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted) Under the front bumper
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? Kennedy harness
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. Ground looks good.
3d] PMD Make: Stanadyne
3e] PMD Age: 10 years old.

4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? No, hot or cold.
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) Usually when idling.
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? Didn't try that.
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? YES. SOmetimes it stumbles, sometimes it dies.
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? NO
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? Don't know.
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? Yes.
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? None.

5] Running Issues
5a] On cold start, does upper rad hose get hard before engine warms up? _______
5b] Any bubbles or oil film in coolant overflow tank? _______
5c] Any white slime on oil surfaces (dipstick, CDR, oil Fill cap)? __________
5d] Excessive white smoke from exhaust on cold start? _________
5e] Excessive black smoke from exhaust under hard acceleration? __________

6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? ___________
6b] Maximum boost under load? ____________
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? ______________
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? ________________
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? ______________

7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? ____________
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? _________
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? ____________
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? ________
7e] (winter) Have you tested your antifreeze? Good to what temp? __________
7f] (winter) Are you using a winter grille cover? ___________

List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.

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About time you bought a new one:), even if it turned out to not be the problem, a spare is nice to have.
 
My PMD is 10 years old now. And mounted to the injection pump where it should be!! LOL
Uh correction almost 12 years now!!
 
Yeah try pmd swap. Other than that what is your fuel pressure?

Hummers have a lot more air flow over the top of the engine (even in that tight area) and help keep a more even temperature extending the life. But 12? Wow. You both should order one. Spare pmd is harder to find on a road trip than a spare tire.
 
OK guys, thanks for the input. I'm going to give Bill Heath a little business. My Tahoe is running an 8 year old remote PMD, and is doing fine.

I'm going to put an inline fuel pressure gauge on the line going to the IP, but when I cracked the fuel bleeder, the engine didn't miss a beat and kept right on running. Not terribly scientific, but it has no problems supply fuel pressure. Plus, I replaced the fuel pump about 3 years ago.

I'll report back when I get the new remote PMD mounted and installed.

Thanks much,

Rob :)
 
OK guys, thanks for the input. I'm going to give Bill Heath a little business. My Tahoe is running an 8 year old remote PMD, and is doing fine.

I'm going to put an inline fuel pressure gauge on the line going to the IP, but when I cracked the fuel bleeder, the engine didn't miss a beat and kept right on running. Not terribly scientific, but it has no problems supply fuel pressure. Plus, I replaced the fuel pump about 3 years ago.

I'll report back when I get the new remote PMD mounted and installed.

Thanks much,

Rob :)

I've had go luck with Bill's PMD kit.

Going on 5 years now...
 
The GM manual says to look for air first. So start with checking the lift pump PSI, looking for air in the return line off the IP with a clear line, and looking at filter/screen/sock condition and hose kinks/gelled fuel. More or less PSI at WOT and checking for bubbles in the return line. It is past time (100K) for a rebuilt set of injectors because when they do fail they generate the kind of carnage in my favorite pic on the left...

It is also possible you got water in fuel or gasoline mixed in by your or station error. So drain some fuel from the water drain into a clear glass container and see if it settles out water in 5 min and if it smells like gasoline.

Leroy diesel also sells a PMD kit although I replaced a good PMD over a kinked fuel line. It is an expensive mistake. Although a spare is good to have it is also expensive to have...
 
I've been slowly working towards having a known to be good spare in all of my vehicles. I try to mount them on each end of the bumper. I do have some still on the manifold. But when they die, I will get another extension harnes and move them
 
The GM manual says to look for air first. So start with checking the lift pump PSI, looking for air in the return line off the IP with a clear line, and looking at filter/screen/sock condition and hose kinks/gelled fuel. More or less PSI at WOT and checking for bubbles in the return line. It is past time (100K) for a rebuilt set of injectors because when they do fail they generate the kind of carnage in my favorite pic on the left...

It is also possible you got water in fuel or gasoline mixed in by your or station error. So drain some fuel from the water drain into a clear glass container and see if it settles out water in 5 min and if it smells like gasoline.

Leroy diesel also sells a PMD kit although I replaced a good PMD over a kinked fuel line. It is an expensive mistake. Although a spare is good to have it is also expensive to have...

Thanks for the kind and very thorough answer. I'll be sure to check those items out.

Sincerely,

Rob :)
 
Could very well be fuel with the change over to winter blends and/or air seeping in as the lines are probably original. I had some issues with the return line to a new IP so that's an issue well worth looking at.
 
I think bad ground is a pmd killer more than heat also the shorter the harness the better I have ran my 6.5 180,000 with a black stanadyne in its stock location also check pmd voltage&oms before u run to the computer and order pmd

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x2 on the bad ground!! A stiff IP can kill them as well from overloaded solenoid switching current. I am also pump mounted. Maybe we are on to something LOL
 
I don't have much to offer in the way of a solution, but I can tell you I am having almost identical problems with my 2001 6.5 van. I have the SSDiesel Supply heat sink on mine in the stock location above the manifold. I purchased the van used at 160K miles, but have since put on another 10K. I am not sure how old the PMD is on it, but the van was well cared for by the previous owner and that is who put the heat sink on.

I have been having the problem intermittently for a year, so I think I am going through the annual fuel changes. It seemed to get worse in a more humid salty warm environment (trip to the South Coast) but then went back to infrequent but frustrating upon my return to the more dry California. Usually, it is after idling in gear (dirt road crawl). Sometimes it wont start after sitting for awhile or not. It is a definite (no run) when it happens. Not even a sputter, it is like an emergency shut off is engaged. I just keep trying to start it in short bursts, because when it is ready, it fires right away, but sometimes does the kill shut down until on a subsequent start it fires and stays running. Every time I turn to on, the lift pump runs.

Recently, although I am not sure it is related, I have started to get some hard sputters at cruising speed (65mph). Feels like the trainy is letting go. For this stutter, the cruise does not have to be engaged, but the cruise does sometimes disengage (even on the flat land). I thought it was interesting that this is a question on the check list.

I have replaced the stock lift pump (ac delco) and fuel filter (wix). I have heard there may be an inlet screen to the IP, but have not located that yet (hard to get there with the van at least). Can anyone confirm that this should exist and is worth looking at? But the shut down is so abrupt and at low fuel demand, I question low fuel pressure.

When I punch it, I get black smoke. I would have to say that in some heavy load situations (up a steep grade with a 7K pound boat in tow) it struggles.

If anyone can help me (us) on this, I would much appreciate it!

Admin, I am sorry if I am hijacking and would be glad to start a new thread, but my situation seems so similar that I thought adding would be okay.
 
IMHO, your pmd may be on it's last legs. I had the SSD heat sink on my manifold and got 3k miles out of it. It now resides between the bumper nostrils.
I don't have much to offer in the way of a solution, but I can tell you I am having almost identical problems with my 2001 6.5 van. I have the SSDiesel Supply heat sink on mine in the stock location above the manifold. I purchased the van used at 160K miles, but have since put on another 10K. I am not sure how old the PMD is on it, but the van was well cared for by the previous owner and that is who put the heat sink on.

I have been having the problem intermittently for a year, so I think I am going through the annual fuel changes. It seemed to get worse in a more humid salty warm environment (trip to the South Coast) but then went back to infrequent but frustrating upon my return to the more dry California. Usually, it is after idling in gear (dirt road crawl). Sometimes it wont start after sitting for awhile or not. It is a definite (no run) when it happens. Not even a sputter, it is like an emergency shut off is engaged. I just keep trying to start it in short bursts, because when it is ready, it fires right away, but sometimes does the kill shut down until on a subsequent start it fires and stays running. Every time I turn to on, the lift pump runs.

Recently, although I am not sure it is related, I have started to get some hard sputters at cruising speed (65mph). Feels like the trainy is letting go. For this stutter, the cruise does not have to be engaged, but the cruise does sometimes disengage (even on the flat land). I thought it was interesting that this is a question on the check list.

I have replaced the stock lift pump (ac delco) and fuel filter (wix). I have heard there may be an inlet screen to the IP, but have not located that yet (hard to get there with the van at least). Can anyone confirm that this should exist and is worth looking at? But the shut down is so abrupt and at low fuel demand, I question low fuel pressure.

When I punch it, I get black smoke. I would have to say that in some heavy load situations (up a steep grade with a 7K pound boat in tow) it struggles.

If anyone can help me (us) on this, I would much appreciate it!

Admin, I am sorry if I am hijacking and would be glad to start a new thread, but my situation seems so similar that I thought adding would be okay.
 
Hey NVW, AK and everyone else. Thank you very much for the information and thoughts. I got my existing SSDiesel PMD out of the the manifold cradle and remote mounted it with the heat sink in the front left quarter panel up high with ventilation coming in from the hood and grille gap. I have put over six hundred miles on it with no stalling, hesitation, rough starts or stumbles. Cruise seems to stick now as well. I suspect the life of the PMD has been shortened, but for now I am feeling much better.

This forum is great!
 
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