Well folks, I'm getting a little rusty here. So, I'm enlisting some helpful ideas from folks. There isn't really a no-start problem. It starts every time. I just takes a whole lot longer to get it started than any other 6.5 in driveway history. Bus 1 started in like half-a-crank, and so does the Suburban. The service truck is crank, crank, crank, start. Never had a no-start issue, but it takes seconds on the starter rather than the usual quick zip and it's running. All my 6.5's have even in the coldest of weather start in less than 1 second. This one takes 2-4 seconds to start.
Every once in a while I get a little blip where it's like a cylinder hits harder than the rest at idle. It only happens like once a week maybe. I've even seen the SES light flicker when I've heard that sudden spike. No codes, runs fine.
So, call me picky, but I like my stuff running top notch. Considering it's my bread and butter, I want it better than top notch.
Here's what I have.
Problem: Explain your problem in concise language (ie: Cranks but won’t fire). ____Takes more cranking than all other 6.5's to start________________________
Demographics: tell us about your truck and your ambient conditions:
- Year: 2001
- Truck model and class (ie: c2500) _Express 3500
- Automatic or Standard AUTOMATIC
- Mileage: (indicate miles or km) ____145000_____
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc) _REMOTED PMD IN THE ENGINE BAY
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR? _"F" NO EGR W/TURBO
- Ambient outside temp: (indicate *C or *F) _ANY TEMP 30-100°f
- What fuel are you using? (#1 Diesel, #2 Diesel, Bio, VO, WVO, etc) __PUMP#2 ROAD DIESEL
- What fuel additives are you using? _2 CYCLE OIL 16 OZ PER TANK
- Where are you located? _DELAWARE
General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter _GOOD
- Fuel filter ____FRESH (1 MONTH <1000 MILES)_____
- CDR Valve? __UNKNOWN
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at _UNKNOWN
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at ________SYNTHETIC___
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at _BRAND NEW OPTIMA BATTERIES (REPLACED THE OEM 11 YEAR OLD FRAME RAIL BATTERY)____________
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): __FRESH & CLEANED THE BACK FRAME RAIL GROUND.
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them? _________ What type? __REPLACED BY P/O, BUT DID NOT NOTE WHICH ONES.
- Injectors - last changed at ___REPLACED, BY P/O DON'T KNOW IF STOCK PRESSURE OR HIGH POPS
History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened? _ANYWHERE
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared? __PERFECT OTHERWISE
- Has this problem ever happened before? _______________________
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem. __IMMEDIATE SHUT DOWN AND RESTART, FIRES QUICKLY. SITS FOR LONG, LONGER CRANK TIME/ HOT OR COLD.
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) __Y__ And? __NONE STORED
Diagnostics:
1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? YES
1b] Does the engine crank over? YES
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? YES
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? YES
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? YES, FULL TERM (DEPENDING ON TEMP, 7-10 SECONDS) NOT OFFICIALLY TIMED
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? _________ For how long? N/A WTS LIGHT
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? NO, PUFF WHITE ON START.
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? YES
2] Fuel Issues (if not running):
2a] Can you hear your lift pump working? YES, WORKS, VERIFIED FLOW WHEN I CHANGED FUEL FILTER
2b] Do you get a steady flow of fuel from the water drain (T-handle) ? VAN, NO TEE HANDLE
2c] Loosen the inlet line from the IP – is fuel coming out (Lift Pump on)? VAN, NO TEE
2d] Loosen an injector line and crank the engine - does fuel come out? HAVE NOT ACCESSED
2e] Do you hear a vacuum (hiss) when you remove the fuel cap? VACUUM YES, TRIED RUNNING WITH CAP LOOSE, NO CHANGE
3] PMD / IP Issues
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted) ENGINE BAY MOUNTED
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? VENDOR
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. NOT ACCESSED
3d] PMD Make: STANADYNE
3e] PMD Age: UNKNOWN, BUT RECENT ACCORDING TO P/O
4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? NO ISSUES
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) NO ISSUES
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? NOT TRIED
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? NO ISSUES
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? NO ISSUES
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? NO ISSUES
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? DOES NOT APPLY
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? NO ISSUES
5] Running Issues
5a] On cold start, does upper rad hose get hard before engine warms up? NOT TRIED
5b] Any bubbles or oil film in coolant overflow tank? NOT CHECKED
5c] Any white slime on oil surfaces (dipstick, CDR, oil Fill cap)? NOT CHECKED
5d] Excessive white smoke from exhaust on cold start? NO
5e] Excessive black smoke from exhaust under hard acceleration? NO, AT NIGHT, LIGHT FOG IN MIRROR
6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? NO
6b] Maximum boost under load? UNKNOWN
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? STOCK
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? NO/STOCK
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? OEM VACUUM SYSTEM
7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? NOT CHECKED (ASSUMED DUAL AS IT'S A 2001)
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? NO, TEMP GOOD AS VERIFIED BY SCAN GAUGE AND DASH GAUGE
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? NO ISSUES WITH HIGH TEMP
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? NO ISSUES
7e] (winter) Have you tested your antifreeze? Good to what temp? NOT CHECKED
7f] (winter) Are you using a winter grille cover? NO
List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.
Soot trap gutted. While running, exhaust smells good and clean, as if the soot trap is still installed. Engine runs great, no other issues to report. Cranking speed very good with new batteries, but no change in the length of time required to fire. Anything I'm missing?
Thanks in advance ya'll! Miss spending time on here.
Every once in a while I get a little blip where it's like a cylinder hits harder than the rest at idle. It only happens like once a week maybe. I've even seen the SES light flicker when I've heard that sudden spike. No codes, runs fine.
So, call me picky, but I like my stuff running top notch. Considering it's my bread and butter, I want it better than top notch.
Here's what I have.
Problem: Explain your problem in concise language (ie: Cranks but won’t fire). ____Takes more cranking than all other 6.5's to start________________________
Demographics: tell us about your truck and your ambient conditions:
- Year: 2001
- Truck model and class (ie: c2500) _Express 3500
- Automatic or Standard AUTOMATIC
- Mileage: (indicate miles or km) ____145000_____
- Replaced parts and mods (IP, PMD, chip/PCM, TM, injectors etc) _REMOTED PMD IN THE ENGINE BAY
- Model: ‘S’ or ‘F’ engine, NA or Turbo, EGR? _"F" NO EGR W/TURBO
- Ambient outside temp: (indicate *C or *F) _ANY TEMP 30-100°f
- What fuel are you using? (#1 Diesel, #2 Diesel, Bio, VO, WVO, etc) __PUMP#2 ROAD DIESEL
- What fuel additives are you using? _2 CYCLE OIL 16 OZ PER TANK
- Where are you located? _DELAWARE
General maintenance: inspect and evaluate the condition of each. When were they last changed?
- Air filter _GOOD
- Fuel filter ____FRESH (1 MONTH <1000 MILES)_____
- CDR Valve? __UNKNOWN
- Coolant – last flushed/replaced at _UNKNOWN
- Oil – synthetic/regular, changed at ________SYNTHETIC___
- Batteries – state of charge, (matched set) replaced at _BRAND NEW OPTIMA BATTERIES (REPLACED THE OEM 11 YEAR OLD FRAME RAIL BATTERY)____________
- Battery cables and grounds (removed, cleaned and tightened): __FRESH & CLEANED THE BACK FRAME RAIL GROUND.
- Glow Plugs - how many miles on them? _________ What type? __REPLACED BY P/O, BUT DID NOT NOTE WHICH ONES.
- Injectors - last changed at ___REPLACED, BY P/O DON'T KNOW IF STOCK PRESSURE OR HIGH POPS
History: (Describe how the problem first appeared.)
- What were you doing when it happened? _ANYWHERE
- How was the truck running fine before this problem appeared? __PERFECT OTHERWISE
- Has this problem ever happened before? _______________________
- Describe any related factors that might be part of the problem. __IMMEDIATE SHUT DOWN AND RESTART, FIRES QUICKLY. SITS FOR LONG, LONGER CRANK TIME/ HOT OR COLD.
- Have you checked for DTC (Diagnostic Trouble Codes)? (Y.N) __Y__ And? __NONE STORED
Diagnostics:
1] Starting:
1a] Does the engine start? YES
1b] Does the engine crank over? YES
1c] Are your batteries fully charged? YES
1d] Have you removed, cleaned, and tightened all battery connections? YES
1e] Does your Wait to Start light come on for a time? How long? YES, FULL TERM (DEPENDING ON TEMP, 7-10 SECONDS) NOT OFFICIALLY TIMED
1f] Does your glow plug light come on? _________ For how long? N/A WTS LIGHT
1g] Do you see smoke from the exhaust while cranking? What color? NO, PUFF WHITE ON START.
1h] Does the Service Engine Light Glow during Start/bulb check? YES
2] Fuel Issues (if not running):
2a] Can you hear your lift pump working? YES, WORKS, VERIFIED FLOW WHEN I CHANGED FUEL FILTER
2b] Do you get a steady flow of fuel from the water drain (T-handle) ? VAN, NO TEE HANDLE
2c] Loosen the inlet line from the IP – is fuel coming out (Lift Pump on)? VAN, NO TEE
2d] Loosen an injector line and crank the engine - does fuel come out? HAVE NOT ACCESSED
2e] Do you hear a vacuum (hiss) when you remove the fuel cap? VACUUM YES, TRIED RUNNING WITH CAP LOOSE, NO CHANGE
3] PMD / IP Issues
3a] Location of PMD (on pump, on intake, remote mounted) ENGINE BAY MOUNTED
3b] Condition of Extension harness (if used) Vendor or Homemade? VENDOR
3c] Condition of grounds / ground wires to IP / PMD. Check Harness. NOT ACCESSED
3d] PMD Make: STANADYNE
3e] PMD Age: UNKNOWN, BUT RECENT ACCORDING TO P/O
4] Stalling Issues
4a] Do you experience stalling only when hot? NO ISSUES
4b] Does it stall under particular circumstances? (ie hit bump, or on accel) NO ISSUES
4c] Does pouring cool water over the IP seem to help with restarting? NOT TRIED
4d] Is stalling momentary (engine recovers)? NO ISSUES
4e] Does SES light come on when engine hiccups? NO ISSUES
4f] Does cruise control quit working when engine hiccups? NO ISSUES
4g] Does re-starting seem to reset engine, restoring cruise and power? DOES NOT APPLY
4h] Changes to dash lights or instruments during stalling events? NO ISSUES
5] Running Issues
5a] On cold start, does upper rad hose get hard before engine warms up? NOT TRIED
5b] Any bubbles or oil film in coolant overflow tank? NOT CHECKED
5c] Any white slime on oil surfaces (dipstick, CDR, oil Fill cap)? NOT CHECKED
5d] Excessive white smoke from exhaust on cold start? NO
5e] Excessive black smoke from exhaust under hard acceleration? NO, AT NIGHT, LIGHT FOG IN MIRROR
6] Performance Issues
6a] Do you have gauges (boost, EGT) ? NO
6b] Maximum boost under load? UNKNOWN
6c] Have you added a performance PCM (reflash) or Chip? STOCK
6d] Have you changed exhaust / downpipe / crossover? NO/STOCK
6e] Wastegate – mechanical or vacuum (OEM)? OEM VACUUM SYSTEM
7] Temperature-related Issues:
7a] Single or dual thermostats? NOT CHECKED (ASSUMED DUAL AS IT'S A 2001)
7b] Have you replaced them lately? Manufacturer of replacements? NO, TEMP GOOD AS VERIFIED BY SCAN GAUGE AND DASH GAUGE
7c] Have you pulled and cleaned Radiator and coolers lately? NO ISSUES WITH HIGH TEMP
7d] Have you replaced the fan clutch? Manufacturer of replacement? NO ISSUES
7e] (winter) Have you tested your antifreeze? Good to what temp? NOT CHECKED
7f] (winter) Are you using a winter grille cover? NO
List and describe any other factors which are not addressed in this checklist. We can’t see, hear, smell, or touch your truck, so the more descriptive information you can give, the more likely it is that somebody can assist you.
Soot trap gutted. While running, exhaust smells good and clean, as if the soot trap is still installed. Engine runs great, no other issues to report. Cranking speed very good with new batteries, but no change in the length of time required to fire. Anything I'm missing?
Thanks in advance ya'll! Miss spending time on here.
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